Flagrant AND Intentional?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If you're trying to block the shot and the shooter gets whammed, intentional. If you're trying to wham the shooter, flagrant.

Not necessarily. We've already established that no certain intent is necessary for a foul to be called flagrant. In the situation I posted earlier in this thread, I genuinely believe that the player's intent was to stop a shot, nothing more. Trouble is, he missed. He did indeed wham the shooter. Was it excessive contact, or was it of a violent or savage nature? Partner and I both had good looks, but he made one call while I would have made the other.