eofficials.com
 

Anybody a subscriber? Benefits????

I looked at it, but it seems awfully expensive. and all the writers are so high-falutin'. I will never work at the D1 or pro level, and don't need to know those skills. Doing HS and JC is different. Frankly, I learn more from this board expecially since it's interactive, and thus can respond to my questions (and insults and bad puns).

There are some free areas in there. Check under Affiliates - NCAA. Have to register but it's free.

Is there anything there that's useful for HS officials?

Instructional videos on things like traveling etc.

I subscribe the free part and I love the information. I disagree that things D1 officials can teach you are drastically different than what happens at the HS or JC level. If you work any college at all this site is very helpful. If you are just a HS official trying to learn better ways of doing things, what better way to learn then from officials that have dealt with more pressure than you or I have? Officiating is still officiating, what officials do at the higher levels (even pro ball) is not that different than what we do at the JH level.

Peace

Not sure I understand what you're asking here...you've been posting elsewhere that as a 'wannabe' you love hearing others post game stories...then you say you're not really so interested in a site that you claim focusses on ball that's above your level.

Good point. My situation at this point is that I'm doing high school ball. Because of my personal situation, I will probably never do anything higher. My schedule and commitments and uncertainties will not allow me to make the commitment necessary to work college, except perhaps as a fill in person for some local JC, perhaps, I suppose. Still, I like to hear about people's experience at the college level, and in that sense, I'm a wannabe.

I'm also well aware that my assignor is constantly nagging people who do both, to NOT use college rules, mechanics, interps in the high school game. In that sense, I do myself a disservice if I study college stuff much and it interferes with my high school games. Furthermore, I need to know the high school rules as seen through high school eyes, not as interpreted to me by high level college people.

So I want to hear about Andy's first college games, and about people's play off games, and D1 experiences. I wish I could work those levels. But I'm sure not going to pay $90 to hear them. And espeically not when that information could actually be detrimental to my own "career".

Also, Andy or Jeff, I tried to sign up for the free area, but there's no place to check an affiliation with NFHS, and they won't allow me to "register" if I don't check NCAA, with which I'm not affiliated. Advice?

1. Philosophy on fouls.
2. Videos on plays and situations (the rules are often the same)

Juulie, the best officials I work with at the HS level are officials that have some college experience. Usually HS only officials tend to be very complacent with their knowledge, ability and mechanics. If they did something 20 years ago, they are less likely to evolve and change with the times. In my area we literally have many D1 officials in many sports and the things they teach the rest how to handle situations. Of course rules are different and trying to figure out the rules can be a challenge, but officiating is much more than rules. Also many of the mechanics and rules used at the college levels tend to come down to the HS level (table side after fouls, team control fouls and signal, running out of bounds violation). I highly disagree that someone that only works HS cannot get something from that site. If that was the case, then you should never buy any officiating resource, considering that most of the people that produce that kind of content have college and pro experience. That would also include the NF content and books as well.

Peace

I'm registered for the free side only to get the NCAA bulletins and take the NCAA test. I haven't even looked for the other good stuff that Rut describes.

These things are just plain not true in Oregon. It may be that someone who wlrks only HS could get something from eofficials, but I can't see what it is that couldn't be gotten elsewhere. I didn't say that people with some college experience don't have anything to offer. I just don't see anything on that site that I can't get somewhere else. I don't see that it's worth the time and effort. And they don't even have a way for HS only officials to register, since there "Check affiliations" doesn' have a box for NFHS.

Around here there are many very good HS only officials, who learn and change and improve every year. It's a competitive area, and not the refuge of the incapable. In my own situation, because of my son's health, and other commitments I've made to my church and my family, I will never be able to travel and "get away" to do the college thing. If I have people locally who can tell me the best interp to use for HS, and if I can continue to be the best among high school officials here, why listen to what college officials from Georgia have to say? I'll just have to check that against what my own assignor and coaches here want.

If it's good for you, fine. I'm not knocking the site. Just saying that I doubt it's going to do me any good.

My opinion based on things I have seen and experienced for myself
 

The reason you do not see much about the NF, because the NF is not trying to give away their information without being compensated with it. If you have not noticed even on the NF's own web site, you are not going to get much information that is official without paying for it. I do not see this as a problem with the site; I see that as an issue the NF has put themselves in.

Peace

Yes, they do. Go to the home page, click on either NCAA or NFHS under Affiliates...on the next page, on the left-hand side, there's a free registration under <b>LOG IN</b> for anyone that will get you into both the NCAA and NFHS areas.

You're probably right, but that just means that the site isn't for me. Not that the site has problems, but there's not much for me there.

I also should point out that almost everything on there is going to be geared to 3-whistle. We do exclusively 2-whistle here for hs, and that includes all varsity, play-offs, and tournanment. Again, I don't have anything against 3-whistle, but I don't need to know it. SO studying it isn't going to help me.

I can't find it. I go to the home page, on the left, under Affiliates Area, I click on NFHS. It gives me another page. I click on Login, can't log in because I;'m not registered. Okay, I click on Register Now, I get a form to fill out. In the third section down, it says "Affiliations: Please indicate all affiliations for which you are a member." And there is a box for NCAA which is checked automatically, and there is no other box.

Are you saying I should check the NCAA box, and then the NFHS stuff will come up later? That seems a little disingenuous.

That will get you registered. After you're registered, log in and set your computer to remember your password, etc. There presently isn't much in the NFHS area, but there is quite a lot of useful stuff in the NCAA area that relates directly to the high school game- the traveling/palming/etc. videos for instance.

Considering that the NF does a very poor job of showing video tape, breaking down rules and showing very detailed philosophies on certain aspects of the game. There is a PDF file on how to call post play in great detail. The NF never addresses these kinds of things other than using language and not giving specific examples to what you can actually see or visualize. The only source that the NF uses that comes close is their S & I Rulebook and that only goes so far.

I think you missed my point. College officials in order to maintain their status have to attend clinics and require extensive training to keep their slots. That is not the case across the country. Part of the reason I know, is our state is considered on the cutting edge of training across the country because we are using tools that no other state is using. We are using videos, PowerPoint and sports specific materials that go a lot further than what the NF does.

I respect that you will not get much out of it, but that does not mean that HS officials would not get something out of it. Just because I get something out of it does not mean everyone here or across the country will get something out of it either. I just think you are taking such a narrow focus to training and education that applies to all levels.

Peace

Okay, well, that seems reasonable. I guess. I just feel a little talked down to when they don't even give someone the option to register as an NFHS official. And, again, the interps are all NCAA. I don't know. It just bugs me.

Juulie,

Are you saying that people do not have the capacity to decipher between 2 man mechanics and 3 person mechanics? So if you see a block/charge call, you have to see it in 2 man to know if it is the right call?

Peace

They're not talking down. It's just basically an NCAA oriented site. And...quite a bit of the stuff that they have on the NCAA side is directly relevant to the NFHS anyway. There's all kinds of similar rules.

It's very worthwhile imo to check in regularly there.

Shouldn't you at some point remind us that you are paid to write articles for the pay side of this particular officiating web site? You know, full disclosure and all that...

Here's a quarter. . .

http://www.governor.wa.gov/quarter/a...mg/quarter.jpg

Now shut up. :D

Juulie, I think you are judging the site without even seeing what it has to offer. I have several friends who do only HS ball and have directed them to the site just for the video breakdowns on rules...the local HS association is thinking of checking and seeing if the videos can be used at assoc. meetings as training tools. There's some good stuff there...as said before, the NF is not represented well on the site by the NF's choice - they don't want anyone else disseminating their information...try it out and see what you think. Then come back and let us know what your informed opinion is...

Hey Dan, I used a big word in there just to bug the old fart! Think it will work?

Dissemination will make you go blind.

It's true, it's true....

You all dont do 3 man at all?

It's true, I do get paid to write for this site, but that's not why I'm feeling critical. It just bugs me that they say they're for everyone, but I can't even register without pretending I'm something that I'm not.

But I don't think y'all are understanding my posts very well. I don't think there's anything wrong with eofficials, and I'm not saying it's not worth looking at. I just don't think it's for everyone. It's certainly not "the greatest contribution to officiating in the last 10 years." That kind of over-kill just gets my dander up.

'Nuf said. I'll go be grouchy by myself now...

Let's see, I do only high school, and there's no 3-whistle in high school anywhere, anytime in Oregon, so

2+2 = how many??

Wimmen......

Can't live with 'em......pass the beernuts.:D

I really do not think anyone said this site was for everyone. Discussion boards are not for everyone. The paid version of this site is not for everyone. Officiating in general is not for everyone. EOfficial.com is a site is just another resource for someone that is looking for something else to teach other aspects of officiating. Ultimately whether it works is up to each person. I think you have judged the site without really looking at it and taken your personal learning ability into consideration rather than looking at the big picture. Of course not everyone works 2 man and not everyone works beyond HS, but that does not mean those that fit that category could not learn something because you see little value to something in your personal life.

Peace

...and ya can't shoot 'em :eek:

:D

I'd just pick the NCAA for now.

Which brings us back to another old joke about wimmen and having a bounty on 'em.

Dare ya.

hmmm....remind me...?

Go ahead, no one is looking at this stupid thread anyway

That's what I did and I got in. Here's a list of the videos. Best played after downloading rather than through the web.

2006-07 Video Library
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 1 - Introduction
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 2 - Palming
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 3 - Post Play Part 1
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 4 - Post Play Part 2
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 5 - Players moving w/o the ball
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 6 - Handchecking
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 7 - Screening
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 8 - New rule interpretations
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 9 - Traveling
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 10 - You call it Part 1
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 11 - You call it Part 2
2006-07 Men's Basketball Officiating Instructional Video - Chapter 12 - Closing

Bulletins
 

Last year the site also put out video bulletins throughout the season. I think the Women's side was better than the Men's and had updates roughly every 2 weeks. The videos were sometimes geared for NCAA interps but also contained a lot of useful general purpose topics definitely applicable to the HS level.

When I clicked on the NFHS part it didn't bring anything up. Is there anything in this part or is it just not available right now?

Nothing really there yet.

A lot of the NCAA stuff is valid for high school ball though-- traveling, palming, etc.

Darn at least in VA (in my area) AAA Boys is 3 man! You need to move!

I'm pretty happy around here. Our state tournament is 3 this season, and the 4A league I work for is assigning 3 to all HS games when they can get 3. I think I only have 4 out of 50 2 person nights this season, and that's 4 too many if you ask me.

Eofficials.com
 

2006-07 NCAA Men's Basketball Video Bulletin #5 - January 5th is an excellent video concerning swinging elbows after rebounds. The 'C' in the first plays makes a great call!!!

Hey Juulie - what about those 3rd grade rec games I give you? :confused: