Setting Initial Possession Arrow?
This is a common occurence that I am still not 100% certain of the correct call so appreciate some feedback:
On the initial jump ball, A1 clearly taps the ball to the sideline out of bounds. Obviously the ball goes to B1 for a throw in. Question is: should the arrow also go to B since it could be interpreted that A1 had first possession and tapped it out of bounds therefore next possession change should also go to B. Or should the arrow go to A since no real first possession by A? I think the latter ...... Thanks |
Read 4-3. That should clear it up for you.
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A1 never has control of the ball, therefore it's A's arrow and B's throw in
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In your play A1 commits a violation by knocking the ball out-of-bounds prior to any player establishing control during or following the jump ball. Therefore the part of the rule in RED applies. Since the thrower is from Team B, the possession arrow will be pointed in favor of Team A unless something else happens prior to the throw-in.
RULE 4, SECTION 3 SETTING DIRECTION OF INITIAL ARROW Alternating-possession control is established and the initial direction of the possession arrow is set toward the opponent's basket when: ART. 1 . . . A player secures control of the ball, as after the jump ball. ART. 2 . . . The ball is placed at the disposal of the free thrower after a common foul when the bonus free throw is in effect. ART. 3 . . . The ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower after: a. A violation during or following the jump before a player secures control. b. The free throws for a noncommon foul. c. A common foul before the bonus free throw is in effect. NOTE: This procedure is used only to establish the alternating-possession procedure. See 6-4 for using the procedure and reversing the possession arrow. |
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12.4.3 The team that does not gain control of the live ball on the playing court after the jump ball which began the first period will start the alternating possession.So in that case the arrow direction is not established until the throw-in is made and some player establishes control in bounds. Notice that the same wording is used for starting the 24 seconds count: 50.1 [The 24 seconds device shall be] Started or restarted whenever a team gains control of a live ball on the playing court.Ciao |
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1) A1 knocks opening tap directly out-of-bounds. 2) B1 inbounds 3) A2 steals the inbounds pass 4) Arrow set to Team B |
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Don't ask me why they chose to do this way. The FIBA rule committee has plenty of fantasy. For example they decided that a shot ends whenever the ball strikes the ring; so if after this a defensive player reaches through the basket and touches the ball above ring level, it is only a common violation and not basket interference (in FIBA there is no cylinder above the basket to cope with). I guess that NFHS and NCAA treat differently the situation in the case proposed by the OP. In NCAA there is team control during a throw-in, so the arrow direction can be established as soon as the ball is handed to the thrower-in. In NHFS there is no team control during a throw-in, so the rule has to mention explicitly the exception. Am I right? |
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Anyway, my book says (translated offcourse :P) : 12.4.3 The team that does not control the ball "in the jump ball at the start of the game" shall be awarded the first alternating possesion throw-in. There is nothing said here about a boll on the court, if A bats it out, it's B's ball. At least according to my book. But if we can't agree I'll mail my assignor and ask him about it. But this could also be a national diffrence, I don't think so though :/ |
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2.1Playing courtI interpret this as meaning that out-of-bounds is not "in the playing court". The translation you have does not mention "live ball" nor "playing court". The Italian translation is accurate. The English version of the rule book is downloadable from FIBA.com. Ciao |
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