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chrs_schuster Wed Oct 25, 2006 05:12pm

Do the game or not?
 
One of my first games this year is a boys freshman game. The problem is my son is going to be on the team. He does not live with me and I'm having trouble deciding on whether to do the game or email my assignor and bail. What do you guys think?

Dan_ref Wed Oct 25, 2006 05:26pm

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Originally Posted by chrs_schuster
One of my first games this year is a boys freshman game. The problem is my son is going to be on the team. He does not live with me and I'm having trouble deciding on whether to do the game or email my assignor and bail. What do you guys think?

Don't do the game.

Tell your assignor your son is on the team and you don't want to take the game. He'll appreciate it.

refnrev Wed Oct 25, 2006 05:48pm

If you can have someone else do the game, it's better. I've had to do HS V soccer games when my son is playing because of being in areas where there were real shortages of refs and no one else was available. I've also done soccer games when my partners were fathers of members of the opposing team. If they can't play the game because they can't get someone else, I wouldn't let them lose the game. But having done it... be fully aware that it is awkward at best and it's not nearly as enjoyable as being able to watch and cheer for your kid's team. You have to totally change gears menatlly and work hard to keep your referee hat on and the father/fan hat off. And always know that no matter how well you do, and how fair you call it, someone always has doubts about your impartiality and your integrity.

Jurassic Referee Wed Oct 25, 2006 06:10pm

No-brainer. Bail.

You're in a no-win situation if you do that game.

Mwanr1 Wed Oct 25, 2006 06:14pm

Don't put yourself in that position - there are plenty of other games for you to do. No one might know now, but someone, somewhere down the line will find out.

mick Wed Oct 25, 2006 06:59pm

Watch the kid play, from the stands. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/nod.gif

chrs_schuster Wed Oct 25, 2006 07:24pm

thanks for the info! I will call assignor tomorrow and reassign.

Bad Zebra Wed Oct 25, 2006 07:47pm

Let me be the voice of experience...I did this once when my son was a 10 yr. old playing Rec ball. HUGE Mistake. To show the coaches I was unbiased, I was very tough on my son, who was one of the better players on the team. He sensed it...held back...and they lost the game. My wife in the stands sensed what I was doing too and I got an earful on the car ride home. Not to mention the grumbling she heard from other parents. Nobody won in that sitch. I haven't done it since...and our local assn. forces us to scratch teams where we have a child attending a school...even if they don't play a team sort.

mick Wed Oct 25, 2006 07:50pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra
Let me be the voice of experience...I did this once when my son was a 10 yr. old playing Rec ball. HUGE Mistake. To show the coaches I was unbiased, I was very tough on my son, who was one of the better players on the team. He sensed it...held back...and they lost the game. My wife in the stands sensed what I was doing too and I got an earful on the car ride home. Not to mention the grumbling she heard from other parents. Nobody won in that sitch. I haven't done it since...and our local assn. forces us to scratch teams where we have a child attending a school...even if they don't play a team sort.

...So close to my son's JV game. So close ! :cool:

Larks Wed Oct 25, 2006 09:08pm

No way. Send it back. Most of the assignors in my area will not let you ref teams if you teach there, coach there, work there or have kids actively attending.

Dont do it.

BktBallRef Wed Oct 25, 2006 09:26pm

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Originally Posted by chrs_schuster
thanks for the info! I will call assignor tomorrow and reassign.

Wise decision.

Raymond Thu Oct 26, 2006 07:00am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra
and our local assn. forces us to scratch teams where we have a child attending a school...even if they don't play a team sort.

I wish our Assn did have that policy. However I took it upon myself to scratch myself from any boys' games involving my son's HS. He's a freshman and may not even make the team this year.

If my son were to be cut I don't want to give the coach a chance to say I'm trying to screw his team to get even.

Bad Zebra Thu Oct 26, 2006 07:41am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
If my son were to be cut I don't want to give the coach a chance to say I'm trying to screw his team to get even.

...or worse...if he DOES make it, then you're there just to make calls in favor of his team...or you had an agreement with the coach..."My son makes it and I'll take care of the calls in your games". The kid will never have made it on his own merit in most onlookers minds.

I can't understand how any H.S level association would allow an official anywhere near a game involving their child.

Ref_ Fred Thu Oct 26, 2006 07:56am

Chris, do yourself a favor and most importantly your son, bail out. My daughter played HSV, for 4 years, I told my assignor and he didn't assign me any games in the conference at all. I was happy with that. I actually was a fanboy .. LOL

Raymond Thu Oct 26, 2006 09:30am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra
...or worse...if he DOES make it, then you're there just to make calls in favor of his team...or you had an agreement with the coach..."My son makes it and I'll take care of the calls in your games". The kid will never have made it on his own merit in most onlookers minds.

I can't understand how any H.S level association would allow an official anywhere near a game involving their child.

There have been multiple ocassions when ref's on my board have had to turn back games b/c their children were playing at the school.

I don't understand it either.

tomegun Thu Oct 26, 2006 09:38am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I wish our Assn did have that policy. However I took it upon myself to scratch myself from any boys' games involving my son's HS. He's a freshman and may not even make the team this year.

If my son were to be cut I don't want to give the coach a chance to say I'm trying to screw his team to get even.

I knew you had kids, but I didn't realize you had a son that old! Can he beat you yet?

mick Thu Oct 26, 2006 09:45am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra
I can't understand how any H.S level association would allow an official anywhere near a game involving their child.

I was available for the only game I did "against* my son, because I never took games the same evening. When he was playing, I was watching him.:)

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:48am

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Originally Posted by mick
I was available for the only game I did "against* my son, because I never took games the same evening. When he was playing, I was watching him.

Waching him, eh?
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/2.../lbl061026.gif

mick Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

FanBoy Mick generally yelled at everyone. :cool:

bigdogrunnin Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:10am

NEVER, EVER readily and knowingly put yourself in a position where a fan, coach, player, or an administrator can or will question your professionalism or integrity as an official. NOTHING good could ever come from it.

For example, I worked at a local school for two years, that was three years ago. I still do not work their games at any level (JH-HS).

TASO (Texas Association of Sports Officials) Code of Ethics specifically states that any official who has children at a school, family/friends who work at a school, or who has worked at or with a school in the preceding 5 years may not work their games.

Just food for thought, for all officials.

tjones1 Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:53am

Certainly, give your assignor plenty of time to reschedule an official. Bail out ASAP.

coach41 Fri Oct 27, 2006 06:59pm

Yeah - I wouldn't do the game.

I don't have any kids so I don't have to worry about conflicts but I'm surprised your assignor or group don't ask you in advance for any potential conflicts.

In fact, our group recently instituted a policy of "15 years" post graduation or else you can't work a school's games. So technically, even though I have no connection to my old high school besides being a graduate and a fan of their basketball teams, I have been told I can't work any games associated with the school until next year. :D

stmaryrams Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:49am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I wish our Assn did have that policy. However I took it upon myself to scratch myself from any boys' games involving my son's HS. He's a freshman and may not even make the team this year.

If my son were to be cut I don't want to give the coach a chance to say I'm trying to screw his team to get even.

I don't do games at my son's high school and he doesn't even play basketball. I have all the games I need at other schools and don't need the potential of the other team or worse, our school's parents feeling I "favored" one team or the other. Now in the CYO middle and Jr High league I do games from my other son's school but not his team. I filled in once when only one official showed for the game and have heard about it ever since from my son.

Funny part is he now is officiating youth soccer and now knows what his dad goes through. He is much more understanding now. He does have more of a short leash than I. I'm afraid for coaches next year as he plans on getting his basketball license. The "T's" will fly.


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