Submitting the roster before the game

[bob jenkins]

The rule says that all team members must be listed. It doesn't say that additional names can't also be listed.

Let it go.

[M&M Guy]

How do you know the kid is not in uniform? Do you have definitive information the kid is not at the game site? What, you said you're taking the coach's word for it? How often do you take a coach's word?

I agree with Bob, let it go. It seems like it would be well outside of our jurisdiction.

[rainmaker]

What Bob said.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

What Bob said.

Hey!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Hey!

Hey, what?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Hey, what?

I agreed with Bob, too.

And I agreed first (That typing course is really paying dividends...)

[Nevadaref]

Chuck,
What if the trainer arrived to the gamesite late and a kid must sit in the lockerroom for the first quarter to receive taping or treatment? Are people saying that this kid is not a legal team member because he is not on the bench? What if a team took two vans to a game with half of the team in each vehicle and one of them got a flat tire and is running 45 minutes late?
What if something strange were to happen and this game were to be suspended and continued at a later date? In that case a kid who had a hurt ankle may have recovered and be well enough to participate. For this reason a smart coach would always list his entire team in the book, so that he would not be penalized for adding this kid later.

Look at MLB. They must submit a 25 man roster at the start of each playoff series. Sometimes they know a guy can't play in the first two games, but could help them in the last four or five so they put him on.

I have to say that it would be absolutely absurd to interpret the team member definition to mean that a player cannot be listed in the book at the start of the game, but arrive later, say at halftime, and play without penalty.

The intent is not to penalize tardiness or other commitments. The intent is prevent teams from disguising who is going to play for them in that game. In fact, the listing of a late arrival is declaring to the opponent ahead of time that this kid may play. This is the opposite of any deception and is the sporting thing to do. Why would the NFHS want that penalized?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

How do you know the kid is not in uniform?

Because you counted the players in uniform and compared that to the number of players listed in the book?

Other than that I agree with Bob too.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Other than that I agree with Bob too.

Anyway, back to your comment about counting players - I can't imagine the Fed. wants us to be so strict as to only allow the players we actually see dressed as the only one to be allowed in the game. What if one of them is back in the locker room getting their ankles taped? Or they're under the stands making out with a cheerleader? Even better, what if the coach takes the team back to the locker room for the final chalk session when you're checking the book? Does that mean you can't allow any of the players, because you didn't actually see them when you were officially checking the book?

Sometimes nits need to be picked, but not this time.

So I still agree with Bob.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Anyway, back to your comment about counting players - I can't imagine the Fed. wants us to be so strict as to only allow the players we actually see dressed as the only one to be allowed in the game. What if one of them is back in the locker room getting their ankles taped? Or they're under the stands making out with a cheerleader? Even better, what if the coach takes the team back to the locker room for the final chalk session when you're checking the book? Does that mean you can't allow any of the players, because you didn't actually see them when you were officially checking the book?

Sometimes nits need to be picked, but not this time.

So I still agree with Bob.

You must have misunderstood my comment. I completely agree with Bob. The kid can go get taped, take a dump, leave a dump, have a nap or go hold up a liquor store during pregame.

I was just answering *your* question, in a somewhat disagreeable manner.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Because you counted the players in uniform and compared that to the number of players listed in the book?

Other than that I agree with Bob too.

The kid mighta been having a dump. Nothing in the rules saying he can't during warm-up.

Who cares as long as he's in the book?

Agree with Bob also; no-brainer imo.

[Nevadaref]

There is no rule which requires a team member to be present for the pregame warmup period or at any other time prior to his actual entry into the game.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is no rule which require a team member to be present for the pregame warmup period or at any other time prior to his actual entry into the game.

I count 12 players and there are at least 12 names in the book I am happy. It there are 14 names I am happy, if there are 10-11 names then we have a problem, end of story.

Officiating basketball is hard enough already, let's not make it more difficult than it has to be.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is no rule which require a team member to be present for the pregame warmup period or at any other time prior to his actual entry into the game.

True, but if he's not even at the game site, how is he "eligible to become a player"?

Just so everybody knows, I agree with the "common sense" answer. And I'm glad to be told a common sense way to deal with the question within the rules. But the question was raised because the language of 3-2-1 changed a few years ago. It used to say that you had to submit a list of all "squad members", which was not defined. Now it refers to "team members" which is very clearly defined.

In any case, I think Bob's response that there's no restriction against listing non-team members is a good one. Maybe at my next girls' game, Jennifer Aniston will be on the roster.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

True, but if he's not even at the game site, how is he "eligible to become a player"?

Just so everybody knows, I agree with the "common sense" answer. And I'm glad to be told a common sense way to deal with the question within the rules. But the question was raised because the language of 3-2-1 changed a few years ago. It used to say that you had to submit a list of all "squad members", which was not defined. Now it refers to "team members" which is very clearly defined.

In any case, I think Bob's response that there's restriction against listing non-team members is a good one. Maybe at my next girls' game, Jennifer Aniston will be on the roster.

It does not say he needs to be dressed and ready to play 10 minutes prior to the game to be a team member, as your interpretation implies.

It just says he just needs to be dressed and ready to play. Time unspecified.