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altus Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:40am

substitutions
 
If a substitute is beckon onto the court, can they be replaced with another substitute before the ball becomes alive?

mick Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:48am

Yes, as long as the substitute is not replaced by a player that had just left the floor.
The first substitute isn't required to play before he is replaced by another eligible substitute.

altus Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:33am

Can you give me a reference for that situation? I don't disagree with you, but I would like to know where to find the reference.

ChuckElias Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:51am

altus, FED 3-3-4 tells us that a player who has been withdrawn or directed to leave the game must remain out of the game until the next opportunity to sub after the clock has properly started.

There is no corresponding rule telling us that a player who enters the game must stay in the game until the next opportunity to sub. Therefore, that player is allowed to sub out even if the ball has not yet become live.

mick Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:57am

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Originally Posted by altus
Can you give me a reference for that situation? I don't disagree with you, but I would like to know where to find the reference.

I find no specific rule for your situation, but if you digest Rule 3-3 and Cases 3.3. -> you will find when substitution is not permitted such as after warning buzzer, re-entering. etc.

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26 Year Gap Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:29pm

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mick Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

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Mwanr1 Thu Oct 12, 2006 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
altus, FED 3-3-4 tells us that a player who has been withdrawn or directed to leave the game must remain out of the game until the next opportunity to sub after the clock has properly started.

There is no corresponding rule telling us that a player who enters the game must stay in the game until the next opportunity to sub. Therefore, that player is allowed to sub out even if the ball has not yet become live.

It is generally easier to substitute out of the ball game than substitute into the ball game.

bob jenkins Thu Oct 12, 2006 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by altus
Can you give me a reference for that situation? I don't disagree with you, but I would like to know where to find the reference.

3.3.3 Sit A

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 12, 2006 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Mwanr1
It is generally easier to substitute out of the ball game than substitute into the ball game.

How so?<i></i>:confused:

They happen at the same time, don't they?

Mwanr1 Thu Oct 12, 2006 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
How so?<i></i>:confused:

They happen at the same time, don't they?

I'm speaking of a player who has just been replaced, or directed to leave the game. Unless his/her team calls a time out and "buy" that player back in the game, that player must wait until the next opportunity to substitute. But generally, if a player really wants to leave the game, it is generally easier to leave than enter.

mick Thu Oct 12, 2006 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
3.3.3 Sit A

Works for me, but in your case A6 actually got in. :)

Kajun Ref N Texas Thu Oct 12, 2006 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Mwanr1
I'm speaking of a player who has just been replaced, or directed to leave the game. Unless his/her team calls a time out and "buy" that player back in the game, that player must wait until the next opportunity to substitute. But generally, if a player really wants to leave the game, it is generally easier to leave than enter.

What provision in the rules, allows you to "buy" a non-injured replaced player back into the game with a timeout after the replacement but prior to the clocking starting?

Grail Thu Oct 12, 2006 03:16pm

Can't buy a non-injured player back into the game.

See Situation 11 in the current Fed Interpretations for your justification.

bob jenkins Thu Oct 12, 2006 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas
What provision in the rules, allows you to "buy" a non-injured replaced player back into the game with a timeout prior to the clocking starting after the replacement?

None. None.

Nevadaref Thu Oct 12, 2006 07:38pm

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Originally Posted by altus
Can you give me a reference for that situation? I don't disagree with you, but I would like to know where to find the reference.

You can find what you seek on the NFHS website:
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2006/10/2006..._rules_in.aspx

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 11: A1 is injured during a play in which he/she was fouled. As a result, A1 cannot attempt the awarded free throws. A6 replaces A1 and attempts the free throws, which are successful. Team A then calls a time-out. At the conclusion of the time-out, (a) A1 is ready to play, or (b) A7 replaces A6. RULING: In (a), A1 may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has properly started. Legal substitution in (b); A6 may leave the game at any time. Substitution restrictions only apply to being withdrawn and attempting to re-enter without the clock properly starting. (8-2; 3-3-4)

Nevadaref Thu Oct 12, 2006 07:46pm

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Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas
What provision in the rules, allows you to "buy" an injured player back into the game with a timeout after the replacement but prior to the clocking starting?

There isn't even one for that!

(Note: I slightly altered Kajun's question to make a point.)

Kajun Ref N Texas Thu Oct 12, 2006 09:57pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
There isn't even one for that!

(Note: I slightly altered Kajun's question to make a point.)

May us kajuns don't talk so good. But we is polite. Thank you.

ronny mulkey Fri Oct 13, 2006 06:40pm

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Originally Posted by altus
If a substitute is beckon onto the court, can they be replaced with another substitute before the ball becomes alive?

The ruling that you are looking for can be found in the year's interps. I think that it is #11 or #12

Nevadaref Fri Oct 13, 2006 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by ronny mulkey
The ruling that you are looking for can be found in the year's interps. I think that it is #11 or #12

Really Mulk? What do you think after reading posts #14 and #16 in this thread? :p

ronny mulkey Sat Oct 14, 2006 04:03am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Really Mulk? What do you think after reading posts #14 and #16 in this thread? :p

Nevada,

Oops! Sorry. Need to pay more attention.:p

Nevadaref Sat Oct 14, 2006 04:10am

Just having some fun with you, bud. :)


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