Case play 7.1.1 is not correct
I had a very interesting conversation at my basketball meeting last night. It turns out that case play 7.1.1 part (a) and (b) are not correct as written. Part (c) IS correct. It reads as follows:
A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds: (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball ...RULING: Legal in (a) and (b). Think about this and see if you can figure out why this is NOT right. |
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1) You're wrong. Case book plays 7.1.1A&B are correct as written. 2) Re: case book play 7.1.1.C--you've written it down wrong. You cited 7.1.1SitD above, not SitC....and there's nothing the matter with that case play either. All three case plays are correct as written. How old is the case book that you're reading? |
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(a) A1 started his dribble when he caught the ball and threw it back inbounds. When he then touched it in-bounds that is the same as legally touching a dribbled ball. Legal play (b) A1 started his dribble when he caught the ball and tossed it back in-bounds. Dribbling again after coming back inbounds is just legally continuing that dribble. It's an interrupted dribble, John. Legal play. |
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OK, I give. Why do you think this is not right? |
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4-15-5 "An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no player control during an interrupted dribble." 4-15-6 "During an interrupted dribble: d. Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble." |
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See rules 4-15-3, 4-15-5, 4-15-6(d). |
Hey john,
there is no reason for you to make people irritated on this forum. If you think something is wrong then tell us what, why and any rule references you have. Do not just say the rules are wrong and tell everybody they can't see it. You stated that you had a long discussion on your board about that rule so maybe if you stated your interpretation then we could debate it on here so we can all come to a logical interpretation that is legal according to the rules. We are all on here to become better officials not to show off who knows the rules better |
You also have to determine whether the player saved it from going out of bounds with a "controlled" save or a "batted" save. A controlled save is used in college to determine a reset of the shot clock in some instances and would also be used to determine if it would constitute a dribble. A batted save would not reset the shot clock and would not be considered a dribble, but for the most part we are not going to microdot and not let the player dribble on a save. If JTRICE ever gives the answer this could turn into a good discussion. Let's please stay on topic though and not get off on some tangent about making fun of someone. That seems to be happening alot or at least since I have started posting. Not meaning to be negative.:D
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Discussion on case play 7.1.1 Situation D
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Situation 7.1.1 Situation D part C....... states in its answer: "Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes the start of a dribble....." Part C then goes on to explain (as we all know) how A1 cannot start another dribble. The important part of this is that the case book says " ...the controlled toss of the ball...". So.... this is NOT an interrupted dribble. Finally, as we know, also, and it is stated on Page 56 of the Rule Book...Section 3 Article 2 NOTE: "The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds." For what it is worth...... (and I admit it may not be worth much :) ) the Rules Committee has been notified of this information and I would bet we will see that case changed in next year's book. |
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First, I think we all agree the controlled toss is the start of a dribble. In the case of an interrupted dribble, the player can't go get it, pick it up with both hands, and start another dribble. I believe that's what 7.1.1 Sit D(c) is addressing. However, if the player goes to the ball that's bounding away, and starts bouncing it without catching it first, that would be legal because it would be a continuation of the same dribble. Are you saying because the ball didn't bounce off the player's foot, or something similar, that is what makes your play <b>not</B> an interrupted dribble? If so, what part of the definition of interrupted dribble applies in your case, and why would it not be considered an interrupted dribble? |
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Here is the interrupted dribble rule: 4-15-5 "An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no player control during an interrupted dribble." It appears to me, the Fed is considering Case 7.1.1D to be an interrupted dribble which makes the case book correct as written. The ball has momentarily gotten away from the dribbler. If not, he would still be holding the ball when he goes OB. |
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