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Junker Mon Oct 02, 2006 09:57am

I can't stop myself
 
Just checking to see if I'm the only one with this problem....I can't stop myself from working lower level basketball. I've had a very good varsity schedule for a couple of seasons now, including my first college games this season. The last 2 years I've been telling myself I am cutting out almost anything less than varsity. Now I've found myself with varsity every Tuesday and Friday (and a few Saturdays) and a bunch of lower level games pushing my total dates up to around 50. I'm selective about where I work (I choose the schools I really enjoy and the ones that are close). I know I'll be burnt out at the end of the season, but this time of year I'm looking so forward to the games (and of course honestly the money) that I have a hard time saying no. Anyway, did anyone else have this problem and how do you get yourself to say no?

zebraman Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:04am

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Originally Posted by Junker
Just checking to see if I'm the only one with this problem....I can't stop myself from working lower level basketball. I've had a very good varsity schedule for a couple of seasons now, including my first college games this season. The last 2 years I've been telling myself I am cutting out almost anything less than varsity. Now I've found myself with varsity every Tuesday and Friday (and a few Saturdays) and a bunch of lower level games pushing my total dates up to around 50. I'm selective about where I work (I choose the schools I really enjoy and the ones that are close). I know I'll be burnt out at the end of the season, but this time of year I'm looking so forward to the games (and of course honestly the money) that I have a hard time saying no. Anyway, did anyone else have this problem and how do you get yourself to say no?

My assignor knows that he can call me to work a lower level game if he gets in a pickle. However, I have no problem saying no if I have been gone a couple nights in a row because I have a four-year old boy.

Mountaineer Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:20am

I think the first step is to admit you have a problem . . . :D

Actually, I started gradually cutting back. One year I decided I would not do any JV games and that was predicated on the fact that many coaches see you work their JV games label you as a JV official. Then I started reducing my Jr. High games. I limited myself to 12 then went to 8 - last year I did 2 dates and this year none. Just make the decision and go with it. I still end up with between 25 and 30 varsity dates and that's plenty.

Junker Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:27am

Thanks. I have not worked a JH game in 3 seasons, so that isn't part of the problem. The stuff I take is for schools that know me and know I work every Tuesday and Friday. For the most part it is easy money since I have a pretty decent reputation in the area, but I know it will get to be late January and early February and I'll be tired. I got to looking and I have 49 dates at the moment. I think I'll have to post some bad lower level journal entries on my goals bulletin board at home at the beginning of next year to remind me why I want to say no.

REFVA Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:07am

I did have that probelm in my first 3 years, yet as of the last 3 plus this season. I told them I am being selective of what I do. give the lower level games to the officials who have less seniority. It's common for some officials to get as much exposure as possible so I will at time. Although I was recently asked to do game by the NCAA D1 assignor this past weekend due to my AAU exposure. You never know..

GoodwillRef Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
Just checking to see if I'm the only one with this problem....I can't stop myself from working lower level basketball. I've had a very good varsity schedule for a couple of seasons now, including my first college games this season. The last 2 years I've been telling myself I am cutting out almost anything less than varsity. Now I've found myself with varsity every Tuesday and Friday (and a few Saturdays) and a bunch of lower level games pushing my total dates up to around 50. I'm selective about where I work (I choose the schools I really enjoy and the ones that are close). I know I'll be burnt out at the end of the season, but this time of year I'm looking so forward to the games (and of course honestly the money) that I have a hard time saying no. Anyway, did anyone else have this problem and how do you get yourself to say no?

I don't see this as a problem, if you don't mind working lower level games and you enjoy it keep working them. You might want to talk to your assignor and have him hook you up with some younger officials that you can work with and make them better officials.

JRutledge Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:23pm

I thought that this was a hobby. If you like working games at a certain level and other aspects of you life are not affected, why would anyone care? I know that I do not like working 5 and 6 days a week. So I limit my officiating to one or two levels. I do this because I have other obligations and officiating is a hobby. Enjoy all the lower level games you can get your hands on. I would not call this a problem, I would call this having fun.

Peace

Junker Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:41pm

I don't mind them and I agree that I have a good time. My concern is that at the end of the season I get a little worn down and not quite as sharp. Also, all of my varsity is 3 man and only about half of my sub-varsity is. That gets to be a pain. You're right, I should not worry about it and go enjoy myself, but really, I need to cut back next year. I'll just keep this post around so I can make fun of myself when I take a ton of games again.

JRutledge Mon Oct 02, 2006 01:12pm

You have to make a decision. What is more important to you? Working any game or working varsity games? If you are worn out and cannot perform in the games that matter the most to you, then is it worth it? You and only you can answer that question. I only work lower level games when it fits into everything. I also do not like working every night which would likely include games that are not that important to me. I purposely want to be fresh during most of the season. Working every night can be hard on even the best person in shape. Even baseball players that play can play a game everyday take a day off every now and then. Not everyone is Cal Ripkin.

Peace

Junker Mon Oct 02, 2006 02:14pm

Thanks, good advice. Physically I handle it well, but mentally it gets to be a grind. I'm hoping this season goes well at the lower levels. I don't have too many problems with varsity coaches, but some of those lower level guys and girls just don't seem to get what we're doing out there. I'm hoping being more selective about where I work will help that. Those Freshman coaches that think it is their job to teach me how to officiate just get under my skin after a while.

dunkindane Mon Oct 02, 2006 05:08pm

Can't stop myself
 
Well that is a nice problem to have, uphere I don't have any choice about what games I'll work and which I won't as we can't say we really have good basketball leagues or schools at which to go to. When we do get the chance to work a game it's a tournament and I know I won't get paid but I like the opportunity and generally I have a really fun time. Major problems with working games in this town is everybody knows me and sometimes calls come back to haunt you but for the most part it's still the most fun I can have without playing. We only work with FIBA rules so anything else is something that would cause major headaches for the players I'd love to work under NFHS or NCAA rules and also three man mechanics but you could'nt find three guy or girls who would work those games price of living in a small town I guess

BktBallRef Mon Oct 02, 2006 06:31pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
Thanks, good advice. Physically I handle it well, but mentally it gets to be a grind. I'm hoping this season goes well at the lower levels. I don't have too many problems with varsity coaches, but some of those lower level guys and girls just don't seem to get what we're doing out there. I'm hoping being more selective about where I work will help that. Those Freshman coaches that think it is their job to teach me how to officiate just get under my skin after a while.

Realize that you need those off nights. I've had plenty of weeks where I had 4 nights filled with varsity doubleheaders. I don't mind it once or twice a season but I enjoy those nights off when they come. It's nice to rest or take the family out to eat. And it keeps me from burning out. Basketball season always ends too soon.

26 Year Gap Mon Oct 02, 2006 09:39pm

I appreciate the games I get to do with a more experienced official. You might offer to help a newbie or two with a couple of games a year at the JV level. I do about 35 games a season. Any more than that and my performance would go down and my advil intake would increase. I am almost 50 with no delusions about doing state championship games as I enter my 4th season. But should I end up doing a varsity schedule, I will leave room for a few games at the JV level for precisely that reason--to help out a newbie.

REFVA Tue Oct 03, 2006 07:00am

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but some of those lower level guys and girls just don't seem to get what we're doing out there. Junker
Keep in mind that is why some of them are coaching lower level games. Varisty contest most of the coaches are well versed in the game and in my state of Virginia they go to the same clinics as officials go to. IMO varisty games in some respects are easier to do that Fr/JV. You wear down more in the lower games, you cover more due to 2 man, you run more, you even blow more, becuase of the level of games, so not only mentally but it is wearing Physically as well. That is why it's a good idea to keep a good balance between the two.

Junker Tue Oct 03, 2006 09:22am

The bright spots to my lower level schedule is the fact that one of my assignors is requiring all HS games to be 3 man. He wants us to train the guys that never do it. Also, some of my lower level games are at a local small college so the basetball is better than some of the varisity I see, plus I get to work on my college mechanics and habits (like paying attention to the shot clock). I just need to make sure I have a 3 man crew for those as well. Those college guys are hard to keep up with working 2 man.

stmaryrams Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:43pm

[QUOTE=Junker]The bright spots to my lower level schedule is the fact that one of my assignors is requiring all HS games to be 3 man. He wants us to train the guys that never do it...QUOTE]
Some of the leagues in our area have also gone to 3 man crews for JV games for just that reason. It gives the newer officials a chance to work on 3 man mechanics and be better prepared for varsity contests.

Some of my fellow officials have complained about the drop in pay for these 3 man JV games. Any pay loss is offset by experience gain in my book.

I am in a similar situation as I have dropped all of my Frosh and Jr High games except for one school right up the street when needed to fill in.

I do work 4th -8th grade in a CYO league on Saturday mornings for fun. It pays well also. Usually get the most out of touch coaches in the 4th and 5th grades. Guys see Bob Knight on TV and think they've gotta complain about everything and nothing. (i.e. "reaching in, over the back")

REFVA Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:55pm

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Some of the leagues in our area have also gone to 3 man crews for JV games for just that reason. It gives the newer officials a chance to work on 3 man mechanics and be better prepared for varsity contests.
Are they planning to go to 3 man for all HS games? Or is this for pre-season only?

zeke Tue Oct 03, 2006 01:02pm

One thing that is pretty comforting to know about three man...it's actually the two man system with another guy out there. That's all. It's the same principle. You just get more help on and off the ball. So, all that two man you have been working has just gotten you ready for the next step. Trust me.

26 Year Gap Tue Oct 03, 2006 09:38pm

[QUOTE=stmaryrams]
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Originally Posted by Junker
The bright spots to my lower level schedule is the fact that one of my assignors is requiring all HS games to be 3 man. He wants us to train the guys that never do it...QUOTE]
Some of the leagues in our area have also gone to 3 man crews for JV games for just that reason. It gives the newer officials a chance to work on 3 man mechanics and be better prepared for varsity contests.

Some of my fellow officials have complained about the drop in pay for these 3 man JV games. Any pay loss is offset by experience gain in my book.

I am in a similar situation as I have dropped all of my Frosh and Jr High games except for one school right up the street when needed to fill in.

I do work 4th -8th grade in a CYO league on Saturday mornings for fun. It pays well also. Usually get the most out of touch coaches in the 4th and 5th grades. Guys see Bob Knight on TV and think they've gotta complain about everything and nothing. (i.e. "reaching in, over the back")

Do you T 'em up like you would Bobby Knight? :D

dave30 Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:00am

I always try to remember that the 7th grade "C" team girls game that you have to work is just as important to those girls on those teams as the varsity game is to the varsity players. So, I try to do a good job and have fun with it. It helps if you like kids though.

mj Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:34am

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I always try to remember that the 7th grade "C" team girls game that you have to work is just as important to those girls on those teams as the varsity game is to the varsity players. So, I try to do a good job and have fun with it. It helps if you like kids though.


My partner and I always say when doing a game of "less" quality than we would like...."this is the most important game we have tonight"

Junker Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:39am

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Originally Posted by REFVA
Are they planning to go to 3 man for all HS games? Or is this for pre-season only?

I'm in Iowa, our post-season is going completely 3 man, but during the regular season it is optional depending on the conference or school's preference. Luckily I'm in an area where 3 man started for the state and I've worked maybe 4 2 man varsity games in the last 3 seasons. All of my varsity this year is 3 except 1 game where one of my partners is out of town and we're having trouble finding a quality person to take his place. Luckily it is a 1A or 2A game (I haven't been to this school as of now) and not our bigger schools.

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:46am

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Originally Posted by Junker
I'm in Iowa, our post-season is going completely 3 man, but during the regular season it is optional depending on the conference or school's preference. Luckily I'm in an area where 3 man started for the state and I've worked maybe 4 2 man varsity games in the last 3 seasons. All of my varsity this year is 3 except 1 game where one of my partners is out of town and we're having trouble finding a quality person to take his place. Luckily it is a 1A or 2A game (I haven't been to this school as of now) and not our bigger schools.

May I ask where in Iowa?

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:48am

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My partner and I always say when doing a game of "less" quality than we would like...."this is the most important game we have tonight"

Amen, brother. This relative at every level. That games means something to someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Junker Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:51am

I work in central Iowa, my schedule is split mostly 3A and 4A around the state capital. I'm lucky to work mostly in the first 2 conferences in the state to go 3 man. Are you an Iowa guy too Zeke?

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 08:57am

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I work in central Iowa, my schedule is split mostly 3A and 4A around the state capital. I'm lucky to work mostly in the first 2 conferences in the state to go 3 man. Are you an Iowa guy too Zeke?

My separated wife is from Fort Dodge. I work out that way in Big Ten and the MAC. I live in N.C.

Junker Wed Oct 04, 2006 09:00am

I know Dodge well. One of my best friends that got me into officiating is from there. In fact, I think I have them on my schedule a few times this season.

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 09:12am

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I know Dodge well. One of my best friends that got me into officiating is from there. In fact, I think I have them on my schedule a few times this season.

That's awesome. Good luck and safe travels in that snow.

Junker Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:43am

Thanks, I need all the luck I can get. I ditched my Jeep on some bad roads last year on the way back from a long road trip. Luckily it was close to home so my landlord pulled me out. If he wasn't home I would have spent my game fees in towing service.

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:48am

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Thanks, I need all the luck I can get. I ditched my Jeep on some bad roads last year on the way back from a long road trip. Luckily it was close to home so my landlord pulled me out. If he wasn't home I would have spent my game fees in towing service.

Been there done that. On the way to a game years ago and took the 7 month pregnant wife. It was raining. Hydroplane and hit a tree on her side. Spent the night in the hospital. Everyone was and is fine. Motto: take slow leave early and get there safe.

Dan_ref Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:52am

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Been there done that. On the way to a game years ago and took the 7 month pregnant wife...

Geeze...good thing you left the 8 month pregnant wife home that night! :)

(glad to hear all's well)

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:59am

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Geeze...good thing you left the 8 month pregnant wife home that night! :)

(glad to hear all's well)

She was with me.

Dan_ref Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:00am

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She was with me.

It's never fun having to explain a joke...so I won't

zeke Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:07am

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It's never fun having to explain a joke...so I won't

Gotcha. I guess I'm too close to it to get it. Thanks for letting me off the hook. Peace.


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