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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 08:07am
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This is good stuff...grown men arguing over a hair piece

Only officials would do that
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 09:19am
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This is good stuff...grown men arguing over a hair piece

Only officials would do that
Only officials would argue about what a rule should be, especially a rule where liability might possibly be involved for allowing a player to use illegal equipment, no matter how small the chances are of an injury happening.

If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 09:56am
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If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?
Um, I would say the coach, because we asked them before the game started if all of their players were legally equipped.

Alright, I know in this litigious society that won't automatically keep us safe from liability, much less keep us safe from litigation. But I think euby was simply pointing out the irony that many follically-challanged people that would have no personal experience with hair products need to now become experts in the finer points of hair management.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 10:36am
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But I think euby was simply pointing out the irony that many follically-challanged people that would have no personal experience with hair products need to now become experts in the finer points of hair management.
You got it!
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 10:46am
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Um, I would say the coach, because we asked them before the game started if all of their players were legally equipped.
And if a player that is illegally equipped comes onto the floor after that, are you gonna allow it because the coach said it was OK, or are you gonna enforce the rule?

Good luck in any lawsuit if you don't enforce safety rules....and illegal headbands can be a safety issue.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 11:12am
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And if a player that is illegally equipped comes onto the floor after that, are you gonna allow it because the coach said it was OK, or are you gonna enforce the rule?

Good luck in any lawsuit if you don't enforce safety rules....and illegal headbands can be a safety issue.
My tongue was planted firmly in my keyboard as I typed.

If I saw it, and allowed it, I would be in trouble. But if I tell the coach, he kinda takes responsibility if he allows the player in, and I don't see it.

But, of course, that wouldn't stop me from getting sued. It might keep me from being liable.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 11:18am
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My tongue was planted firmly in my keyboard as I typed.
You must have a long tongue.

....which certainly can be a plus.....

....which also brings to mind a coupla jokes, which I think I'll hold in abeyance until Mother Teresa gets back from her retreat.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 11:25am
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You must have a long tongue.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 09:58am
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If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?
If your insurance company's lawyer loses this one, sue him for incompetance. Officials are not liable for hair bands. If anything, the school would be liable for not dressing their player properly. Do you worry about players getting injured by shoelaces?
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 10:03am
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If your insurance company's lawyer loses this one, sue him for incompetance. Officials are not liable for hair bands. If anything, the school would be liable for not dressing their player properly. Do you worry about players getting injured by shoelaces?
Now, I will say this - if a player is injured due to our purposely ignoring a rule, we most definitely could be sued and lose. We will probably be a part of the whole lawsuit, school, coach, AD, district, manufacturer of the string, etc. etc. ad nauseum..., but we would be a part of it. So, knowing and enforcing the rules plays a big part in our being immune from liability.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 10:37am
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Now, I will say this - if a player is injured due to our purposely ignoring a rule, we most definitely could be sued and lose. We will probably be a part of the whole lawsuit, school, coach, AD, district, manufacturer of the string, etc. etc. ad nauseum..., but we would be a part of it. So, knowing and enforcing the rules plays a big part in our being immune from liability.
It would be negligence if we ignore a rule and someone gets hurt. We are discussing something that is not even official or very clear. If the NF does not want a string, then they should say they do not want a string. Outside of this, we are speculating what the legality might be considered. I have never put something in my hair to keep it tied up. I have no personal knowledge of why someone uses one type of hair piece as compared to another.

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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 10:52am
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Officials are not liable for hair bands.
Wrong. If you allow a player to wear a hairband that is prohibited under rule 3-5-3 and an injury somehow results, you had better believe that you are liable.

And, yes, I just phoned one of our officials who is a lawyer and got a legal opinion on that.
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 11:33am
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Wrong. If you allow a player to wear a hairband that is prohibited under rule 3-5-3 and an injury somehow results, you had better believe that you are liable.

And, yes, I just phoned one of our officials who is a lawyer and got a legal opinion on that.
You also have to be aware of it. Not all players have the same hair color or use things that contrast with their hair color. So you would first have to recognize it than then turn the other cheek. That may not happen in our case.

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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 01:46pm
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Wrong. If you allow a player to wear a hairband that is prohibited under rule 3-5-3 and an injury somehow results, you had better believe that you are liable.

And, yes, I just phoned one of our officials who is a lawyer and got a legal opinion on that.
So your lawyer says that you are liable for a green hairband that is worn instead of a blue hairband to match the uniform?
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Old Fri Sep 29, 2006, 02:16pm
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So your lawyer says that you are liable for a green hairband that is worn instead of a blue hairband to match the uniform?
No, but you're liable if you allow illegal equipment to be worn that ends up causing an injury.....which is what I've been saying all along
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