(H)air Controller.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by euby

Some string is made of cloth(cotton)....but not elastic?

The problem isn't what the string is made of; the problem is that the string is not a band. A band is continuous.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The problem isn't what the string is made of; the problem is that the string is not a band. A band is continuous.

Not according to Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: 1band
Pronunciation: 'band
Function: noun
Etymology: in senses 1 & 2, from Middle English band, bond something that constricts, from Old Norse band; akin to Old English bindan to bind; in other senses, from Middle English bande strip, from Middle French, from Vulgar Latin *binda, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German binta fillet; akin to Old English bindan to bind, bend fetter -- more at BIND
1 : something that confines or constricts while allowing a degree of movement [this certainly defines what a hair band would do, but it doesn't say it has to be continuous]
2 : something that binds or restrains legally, morally, or spiritually
3 : a strip serving to join or hold things together: as a : BELT

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Not according to Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: 1band
Pronunciation: 'band
Function: noun
Etymology: in senses 1 & 2, from Middle English band, bond something that constricts, from Old Norse band; akin to Old English bindan to bind; in other senses, from Middle English bande strip, from Middle French, from Vulgar Latin *binda, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German binta fillet; akin to Old English bindan to bind, bend fetter -- more at BIND
1 : something that confines or constricts while allowing a degree of movement [this certainly defines what a hair band would do, but it doesn't say it has to be continuous]
2 : something that binds or restrains legally, morally, or spiritually
3 : a strip serving to join or hold things together: as a : BELT

So....are you saying that a string tied at the back is legal under NFHS rules?

[Corndog89]

Not according to Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: 1band
Pronunciation: 'band
Function: noun
Etymology: in senses 1 & 2, from Middle English band, bond something that constricts, from Old Norse band; akin to Old English bindan to bind; in other senses, from Middle English bande strip, from Middle French, from Vulgar Latin *binda, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German binta fillet; akin to Old English bindan to bind, bend fetter -- more at BIND
1 : something that confines or constricts while allowing a degree of movement [this certainly defines what a hair band would do, but it doesn't say it has to be continuous]
2 : something that binds or restrains legally, morally, or spiritually
3 : a strip serving to join or hold things together: as a : BELT

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So....are you saying that a string tied at the back is legal under NFHS rules?

I haven't received my new rules/case books yet so I can't comment on anything that may or may not be in there, but there's nothing I can find in either the '05-'06 rules or case books that disallows strings or ribbons to tie up hair.

In all seriousness, what am I missing?

And if the whole issue is tied up [no pun intended, but I like it anyway] in the definition of the word "band" then there is most certainly room for interpretation. An elastic piece of cloth can't be a string, i.e., "a strip serving to join or hold things together, as a belt"? The NFHS needs to be clearer and more specific if they mean a continuous piece of cloth or rubber.

[Corndog89]

Not according to Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: 1band
Pronunciation: 'band
Function: noun
Etymology: in senses 1 & 2, from Middle English band, bond something that constricts, from Old Norse band; akin to Old English bindan to bind; in other senses, from Middle English bande strip, from Middle French, from Vulgar Latin *binda, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German binta fillet; akin to Old English bindan to bind, bend fetter -- more at BIND
1 : something that confines or constricts while allowing a degree of movement [this certainly defines what a hair band would do, but it doesn't say it has to be continuous]
2 : something that binds or restrains legally, morally, or spiritually
3 : a strip serving to join or hold things together: as a : BELT

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So....are you saying that a string tied at the back is legal under NFHS rules?

I haven't received my new rules/case books yet so I can't comment on anything that may or may not be in there, but there's nothing I can find in either the '05-'06 rules or case books that disallows strings or ribbons to tie up hair.

In all seriousness, what am I missing?

And if the whole issue is tied up [no pun intended, but I like it anyway] in the definition of the word "band" then there is most certainly room for interpretation. An elastic piece of cloth can't be a string, i.e., "a strip serving to join or hold things together, as a belt"? The NFHS needs to be clearer and more specific if they mean a continuous piece of cloth or rubber.

JR or anyone...So again I ask, what am I missing? Where in the rules, case book, POI's, or elsewhere does it say that a string or ribbon can't be used to tie up hair? I don't pretend to be a rules expert and I'm not trying to be an a$$hole; this is a genuine question.

And again, "band" is the word the NFHS chooses to identify the type of (elastic) rubber or cloth used to control hair. They either need to be more precise as to what they mean (see M-W definition of "band" above) or tell us which dictionary they use as their standard so we can check their definitions. Hey, former President Clinton asked "What does 'is' mean?", so there is always room for interpretation if a communication (a rule in this case) isn't perfectly clear and precise.

This situation seems to fit Rainmaker's question from a few days ago...If the rules don't specifically prohibit something should the official on the floor rule on it, unless as under Rule 3-7 ('05-'06 Rules Book)? Unless a string or ribbon is identified as a safety issue, why should I play "fashion police" as someone else suggested earlier? I'm certainly not going to allow an unsafe situation...I had a mother very angry at me once because I wouldn't let her daughter play in a rec game with beads braided into her hair...but it has to be safety related.

Trying to be educated...Thanks.

[JRutledge]

Corn,

Unless the NF wants to clearly outlaw this, then all we are doing is speculating what should be done. Actually it would be up to the Referee on the game. I would not worry about a string in the hair or worry about liability based on this. I guess we all have things to worry about.

Peace

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Corn,

Unless the NF wants to clearly outlaw this, then all we are doing is speculating what should be done. Actually it would be up to the Referee on the game. I would not worry about a string in the hair or worry about liability based on this. I guess we all have things to worry about.

Peace

Rut

Thanks for the response. This is exactly how I see it, but others seem to see it very differently...just trying to understand their logic. Thanks...

[zebraman]

Let's get the season started so we can have better threads. 68 posts about hair strings. Whooo boy.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Not according to Merriam-Webster Online:

The NFHS doesn't use Miriam or Webster.

[euby]

This is good stuff...grown men arguing over a hair piece

Only officials would do that

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by euby

This is good stuff...grown men arguing over a hair piece

Only officials would do that

Only officials would argue about what a rule should be, especially a rule where liability might possibly be involved for allowing a player to use illegal equipment, no matter how small the chances are of an injury happening.

If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?

Um, I would say the coach, because we asked them before the game started if all of their players were legally equipped.

Alright, I know in this litigious society that won't automatically keep us safe from liability, much less keep us safe from litigation. But I think euby was simply pointing out the irony that many follically-challanged people that would have no personal experience with hair products need to now become experts in the finer points of hair management.

[euby]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

But I think euby was simply pointing out the irony that many follically-challanged people that would have no personal experience with hair products need to now become experts in the finer points of hair management.

You got it!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Um, I would say the coach, because we asked them before the game started if all of their players were legally equipped.

And if a player that is illegally equipped comes onto the floor after that, are you gonna allow it because the coach said it was OK, or are you gonna enforce the rule?

Good luck in any lawsuit if you don't enforce safety rules....and illegal headbands can be a safety issue.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If a player gets a finger caught inside another player's illegal headwear and breaks it, guess who is potentially liable?

If your insurance company's lawyer loses this one, sue him for incompetance. Officials are not liable for hair bands. If anything, the school would be liable for not dressing their player properly. Do you worry about players getting injured by shoelaces?