Designated Throw in Spot violation Rule 7-62
Rule 7-6-2 states that "The Thrower shall not leave the designated throw in spot until the ball has been released on a throw in pass." It also referances Rule 4-42-6, which says the same thing but adds that the pivot foot and traveling rule are not in effect. So the question is as a referee what signal is used, I could not find any referance to it in the book.
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Do not you the traveling signal like most like to. Just point to the spot of the throw in and verbalize that the players violated and moved from the designated spot. |
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I had one last year that threw me...its a really tight gym in a middle school game and the bleachers were maybe 2 feet off the boundry line.
I give the kid the ball for a spot throw in along the sideline and the kid jumps up on the first row of bleachers to throw it in. Of course I tweet and call a violation...coach goes off (he had obviously done this before) and says its within the confines of throw in rules. I just told him to have a seat and enjoy the game. What is your ruling? |
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edited in later - Per euby's response below, I would whistle up a throw-in violation. |
The defender was double teaming the other guard...he wasn't anywhere near the throw in spot.
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That was a topic of a thread here a few years ago. The consensus was that the thrower could back up <b>to</b> the stands, but climbing <b>into</b> the stands gave him an unfair advantage not intended under the rules. |
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http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=1466 Note that officials far smarter than I am- Mick and BktBallRef- said that it's illegal. |
Wouldn't going into the stands consitute an unauthorized leaving of the floor?
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Gym with a wall along the baseline, with a doorway close to each of the sidelines. Endline throw-in, A1, goes out one door, comes back in the other door and completes the throw-in within 5 seconds. Whatcha got? |
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Ok, here's the reason for my original question - I think Jimgolf has a good point in considering a T for going into the stands to make the throw-in, for the same reason I believe my play could be considered a T as well. Here's my (twisted?) logic: we all agree the playing court is considered "inside the lines", because during normal play, all the players should be in-bounds. So how come we don't issue a T every time a player has a throw-in from OOB? Because they are now "authorized" to be OOB, and the playing court has expanded to include the area that player is allowed to be in, whether it's the 3-foot wide space for the spot throw-in, or the entire endline. If they step outside that playing area, it's a violation. If they go outside that area on purpose, with the intent to gain an unfair advantage and possibly deceive, than it's a T. In euby's play, the player didn't trip over the stands (violation), they purposely went into the stands to gain an unfair advantage. Since the coach admitted teaching that, I would think at least one T (and more than likely two) is in order. |
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He's authorized to be OOB, but not out of the gym! Quote:
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Uh, oh. Nevada agrees with my reasoning.
Maybe I need to re-think?... :D |
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Player got an absolute advantage. |
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Leaving the court for an unauthorized reason is a violation under NFHS rule 9-3-2. Delaying return after being <b>legally</b> OOB is a "T" under NFHS rule 10-3-3. You knew that....which is probably why you went back and deleted the cite above. Gotcha! :D |
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Thanks for the catch. I was so busy trying to make my point about the playing area, and just screwed up the actual penalty. I can't wait to actually get back on the court so I can take my mind off baseball. |
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