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rainmaker Thu Sep 21, 2006 06:27pm

Hey, Zeke, Woody, Chuck, Jeff, TJ, Bush, Brandan and anyone else...
 
..... who has enough experience to form an opinion....

I'd be interested in your opinions separately first, before you start responding to each other. Is it the case that anything that's not explicitly forbidden is legal? Or is it the case that anything that not explicitly allowed is illegal? Or some combination of the two? Does this generality include the Fundamentals, the Handbook stuff, and the Simplified and Illustrated?

Discuss in no more than five pages, double spaced, 1" margins. Extra Credit will be given for references to more than one ruleset. This test due by 5 pm Sunday. No credit will be given for tests turned in after that time.

zeke Thu Sep 21, 2006 07:10pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
..... who has enough experience to form an opinion....

I'd be interested in your opinions separately first, before you start responding to each other. Is it the case that anything that's not explicitly forbidden is legal? Or is it the case that anything that not explicitly allowed is illegal? Or some combination of the two? Does this generality include the Fundamentals, the Handbook stuff, and the Simplified and Illustrated?

Discuss in no more than five pages, double spaced, 1" margins. Extra Credit will be given for references to more than one ruleset. This test due by 5 pm Sunday. No credit will be given for tests turned in after that time.

I've just been Howard Sterned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol.

Nevadaref Thu Sep 21, 2006 07:51pm

The rules generally state what may NOT be done. Unless specifically stated otherwise somewhere, anything not prohibited is legal. There are a few exceptions, of course, and they mostly are detailed in the Case Book.

That's my take on it.

zeke Thu Sep 21, 2006 07:54pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
The rules generally state what may NOT be done. Unless specifically stated otherwise somewhere, anything not prohibited is legal. There are a few exceptions, of course, and they mostly are detailed in the Case Book.

That's my take on it.

Sorry....not that anal.

icallfouls Thu Sep 21, 2006 08:05pm

Rainmaker,

Do you have homework/a column to write? :D

kiwiref Thu Sep 21, 2006 08:10pm

FIBA rules state that a decision on anything not specificaly covered by the rule book can be made by the referee. (46.13)
I would venture to say that anything not covered by the rules would be decided on based on the principles of fairness, sportsmanship and within the spirit of the game.

zeke Thu Sep 21, 2006 08:13pm

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Originally Posted by kiwiref
FIBA rules state that a decision on anything not specificaly covered by the rule book can be made by the referee. (46.13)
I would venture to say that anything not covered by the rules would be decided on based on the principles of fairness, sportsmanship and within the spirit of the game.

The elastic rule.

BktBallRef Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I'd be interested in your opinions separately first, before you start responding to each other.

zeke, did you read this part of Juulie's post?

Feel honored. At least she asked for your opinion. Why not offer, rather than immediatly responding to others?

Hey Dan, that's twice now you haven't been included. It's my virgin time. :)

ChuckElias Fri Sep 22, 2006 08:02am

Honestly, I haven't thought very much about the question, Juulie. If you made me choose at gunpoint, I would say that if it's not specifically prohibited, then it's allowed. It does work the opposite way in a few instances, but mostly, I think if it doesn't say that you can't do something, then you can.

Some of those things that you can't do are covered by phrases like "including, but not limited to. . .". So it's not explicitly prohibited, but it's covered under the rule.

Dan_ref Fri Sep 22, 2006 08:06am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
zeke, did you read this part of Juulie's post?

Feel honored. At least she asked for your opinion. Why not offer, rather than immediatly responding to others?

Hey Dan, that's twice now you haven't been included. It's my virgin time. :)

I know... and welcome to the club...

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Jurassic Referee Fri Sep 22, 2006 08:26am

[QUOTE=rainmaker Is it the case that anything that's not explicitly forbidden is legal? Or is it the case that anything that not explicitly allowed is illegal? Or some combination of the two? Does this generality include the Fundamentals, the Handbook stuff, and the Simplified and Illustrated?

[/QUOTE]Just ask yourself <b><i>"What would Woddy do?"</i></b>

Btw, I also agree with Nevada and Chuck.

rockyroad Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:08am

Who the heck is "TJ"???? Is that kinda like "Woddy" for me?? Sweet, I've been woddy-ized...better than being left off the list - right Dan?!!

My take would be similiar to Chuck's and Nevada's...if it isn't specifically prohibited, it MAY be legal...that's where judgement comes in - and that's why we get paid the big bucks to do what we all love to do...

euby Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:22am

NFHS Rule 2-3 would be my bet.

Back In The Saddle Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:15am

I know I wasn't invited to this party, but I've always understood that, generally speaking, if it's not explicitly illegal, it's legal.

BktBallRef Fri Sep 22, 2006 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
I know I wasn't invited to this party, but I've always understood that, generally speaking, if it's not explicitly illegal, it's legal.

Well, that's as clear as mud. :)

Glad you're "so full of doubt." I would be concerned if you were "so certain of yourself." :rolleyes:

I know I'm not supposed to respond in ths thread but I just had to. :p

Back In The Saddle Fri Sep 22, 2006 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Well, that's as clear as mud. :)

Glad you're "so full of doubt." I would be concerned if you were "so certain of yourself." :rolleyes:

I know I'm not supposed to respond in ths thread but I just had to. :p

Well, not only is my tag line more correctly spelled, but I have the self-control necessary to not respond in this thread. :D

Jurassic Referee Fri Sep 22, 2006 03:10pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I know I'm not supposed to respond in ths thread but I just had to. :p

The next time that you do what you are told will be the first....which ain't necessarily bad.:D

M&M Guy Fri Sep 22, 2006 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The next time that you do what you are told will be the first....which ain't necessarily bad.:D

Let's ask his wife about that.

26 Year Gap Fri Sep 22, 2006 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
zeke, did you read this part of Juulie's post?

Feel honored. At least she asked for your opinion. Why not offer, rather than immediatly responding to others?

Hey Dan, that's twice now you haven't been included. It's my virgin time. :)

Tony...it DID say 'anyone else'.....

BktBallRef Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:50pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Let's ask his wife about that.

She'd give you the same five words that she always gives me but doesnt really mean.

"I just hope you're happy!" :mad:

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Tony...it DID say 'anyone else'.....

I'm not "anyone," I'm "nobody." :)

Actually, I'm guessing that I'm TJ but the world may never know!

rockyroad Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:52am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Actually, I'm guessing that I'm TJ but the world may never know!

Hold on a minute there, pal...I'm TJ!!!

BktBallRef Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:31am

I don't think so!!! :mad:

J is beside H on the keyboard. She obviously hit the J while intending to hit the H. D isn't even on the same row as T.

So if you don't like it, I'll meet you in Kansas, Nebraska and somewhere else in the middle of nowhere, and we'll discuss it, mano e mano!! :eek:

JRutledge Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:57pm

It depends on the action that is used, but Rule 2-3 mainly applies.

Keep it up Zeke. :D

Peace

rockyroad Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:40am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I don't think so!!! :mad:

J is beside H on the keyboard. She obviously hit the J while intending to hit the H. D isn't even on the same row as T.

So if you don't like it, I'll meet you in Kansas, Nebraska and somewhere else in the middle of nowhere, and we'll discuss it, mano e mano!! :eek:


OK...I'm leaving now. Meet you someplace in Ohio let's say, oh, Thursday for lunch...you can pick up Woddy on the way, I'll Bring Juulie and we'll come across the northern route and pick up Mick. Chuck, Dan, Zeke, and anyone else will have to get there on their own...

ChuckElias Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:10am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
OK...I'm leaving now. Meet you someplace in Ohio let's say, oh, Thursday for lunch...you can pick up Woddy on the way, I'll Bring Juulie and we'll come across the northern route and pick up Mick. Chuck, Dan, Zeke, and anyone else will have to get there on their own...

I can pick up Mark Dexter and Dan. We could probably swing by and get MTD, Sr. as well.

You know, this is sounding like the initial planning stages for the first annual THIRST tournament! I like it!

tjones1 Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:14am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Hold on a minute there, pal...I'm TJ!!!

I thought I was TJ!? ;) :D

bob jenkins Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:29am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
and we'll discuss it, mano e mano!! :eek:

You'll use sign language?

(and isn't the phrase "mano a mano?")

BktBallRef Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
OK...I'm leaving now. Meet you someplace in Ohio let's say, oh, Thursday for lunch.....

OHIO!?! I ain't goin' to no stinkin' Ohio!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
I thought I was TJ!? ;) :D

Why the hell would she want to know what you think? :p

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
You'll use sign language?

(and isn't the phrase "mano a mano?")

"Mano a mano" is Spanish for hand to hand.

'mano e mano" is urban for one on one.

So no, no sign language.


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