AP or POI?
 

was having a discussion last night with another official. and we couldn't agree on what should happen. if you have a double foul that occurred during a FG attempt and the attempt was no good, you go with the AP, right? because their was no team control and the basketball was no good.

and if it is good you go with POI, right? because the ball is still live during the FG attempt even though the whistle was blown, the ball isn't dead until the attempt has ended.

right?

You got it right. Rule 4-36.

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Just a minor point here. After a double foul, you always go to the POI. Sometimes the POI is the AP arrow, and sometimes the POI is a non-AP throw-in. (And sometimes, the POI is a FT.)

Don't get caught up in a false distinction. All double fouls and simultaneous fouls now go to the POI. To know exactly what the POI is in each case, refer to 4-36 in the FED ('05-'06) book. The reference may change in the new book this year. And I don't have my NCAA book in front of me, sorry.

Still the same reference in this year's rule book...

Chuck, thanks for pointing that out. I believe that's where I was getting confused. Many thanks!

John, your location says "Arctic Circle". How much basketball is played at the Arctic Circle? :eek:

well...
 

if we can keep the ball from freezing up, you can usually play quite a bit. but, you have to watch out for cracks in the ice foes as you can occasionally get a little wet! :D

So that's why the basketball was no good!

Just kidding. BTW, I started reading "Eagle Blue" about the Fort Yukon basketball team - should I look for you in any of the games?

don't know...
 

Well I haven't been assigned to those games yet. But, you never know.

Chuck, I'm having a hard time picturing this. Can you give me an example of where POI for a double foul is a free throw?

How about this:

First free throw of a one-and-one, shot is released, A2 and B2 get overly-rambunctious on positioning and get whistled, and free throw goes in. Report double foul, POI would be the second free throw.

A1 is fouled on his shot & is entitled to 2 FTs

A2 & B2 exchange unpeasantries, resulting in a double T.

POI is A1's first FT.

If you're an "unpeasant", does that make you an elitist prick?

Not necessarily, you could just be a middle-class slob.

But I suppose if you're exchanging these people you probably are both an elitist and a prick.

What would you be exchanging unpeasants for? Peasants? What's the going exchange rate? How many unpeasants per peasant?

You know, I have a wonderful Golden Retriever that I tried to make into a peasant hunting dog...dumb dog kept flushing the trailer-trash instead of the peasants, so now she's just a big house dog. Oh wel...

Dan has a Golden Retriever also, but Dan's dog is probably one of the smartest dogs around. He can do things like calculus, the macarena, etc.

Guess what Dan's dog's name is?

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Ok, I give up. What's Dan's dog's name?

<b>"Woody"</b>

It's true, it's <b>really</b> true.....:D

Woddy. <b> </b>

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I thought Dan named him that because he liked female dogs, not because he was smart.

(I'm workin' on getting two threads locked in one day...that would be some kind of record, right?)

Named him that 'cause when we took him home he growled at me and pee'ed on the back seat.

What else would I name him?

Now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense. I bet the dog was naked in the back seat?...

Ok, maybe we should get back to the POI of this thread.

Good idea.

Chuck, you can find peasant rates and futures on the Chicago Merc exchange. Good luck, it's a tough place to invest unless you know what you're doing.

Actually, pheasant futures rolls off the tongue nicer, but do you know how you can make a small fortune in peasant futures?

Start with a large fortune.

We need to stop this or they won't be pleasant peasants.

(God...I need a weekend real bad.)

Phooey on the pleasant peasants and the pheasants they rode in on.

Elitist prick.

Yeah, that would do it. Thanks.

Sounds more like Dr. Suess.