8/10 panel ball
 

I thought FED changed the rules to allow a 10 panel ball a year or two ago but I don't see that listed under 1-12, requirements for the ball. Then again it doesn't say it's not allowed either. What section covers this?

There are no rule requirements of how many panels are on the ball. I do not know if there ever was anything covering the panels on the ball. There were no rules changes about the 10 panel ball. I can assume that a 2 panel ball or a 15 panel ball is acceptable if it fits the specifics of the rule. You are not going to find any rule that specifically covers this.

Peace

You think right. Up until 2003-04, the rules specified 8 panels. In 2003-04, the FED deleted any reference as to the number of panels required.

All anybody really has to remember now is that the ball should have an "NFHS" on it somewhere.

????????:mad:

Sometimes these off the cuff responses, of which you have given a few lately, annoy me. If you don't know, why don't you do a little research before replying or just wait a bit and let someone who does provide the answer. It may not seem like a big thing to you, but if the questioner sees your quick response and then fails to check back later for others, he could very well be misled and that is not what we desire on this forum.

As the OP asked "a year or two ago" and JR correctly answered "in 2003-04 the FED deleted" the part of 1-12-1c that said "with the traditionally shaped eight panels." This change was in direct response to the development of the new 10-panel ball. In the comments to the rules revisions that year the NFHS wrote, "This change deletes the previously required eight panels on a legal basketball," as well as "Now schools are provided other options for practice and competition. This is a new product that may permit the players to control the ball better..."

So, OC, you have the correct rule reference, and now also knowing the rationale behind the 2003-04 change to make the rule less specific and more encompassing, you can be sure that a 10-panel ball is allowed in NFHS play.

Lock it!!! Lock this one now!!! Before it's too late!!!!

C'mon, not yet.

I got a hankerin' for some popcorn.

(And when was the last time I ever used the word "hankerin'"? :rolleyes:)

Don't ya remember?

When you went to Cleveland, we asked you "why".......and you said "because I've got a hanker for a canker".

You always did have poetic tendencies(which kinda explains the ballet shoes).

Please note that, yes, that was one of those "off-the-cuff responses" that you've heard so much about.

Huh, how 'bout that:

I'm a poet.

And I don't know it.

But my feet show it.

They're Longfellows.

Anyway, my cuff's always dirty from food stains, so I don't understand off-the-cuff remarks. But I do remember some mention about a 10-panel ball as well. Has anyone ever had to "throw out" a ball because it wasn't considered legal? I mean, other than the using the wrong size ball (girl's ball in a boy's game, etc.), I don't know if I've ever seen an "illegal" ball.

And they smell like Dickens....

I'm a poet too.....

<i>A yellow bird with a yellow bill
Sat upon my window sill
I lured her in with a crust of bread
And gently crushed her f***ing head.</i>

It's those damn ballet shoes - no ventilation.

Nevada,

Pull the stick out of your ***. In all the rulebooks I have, there is no reference of how many panels on the ball (the oldest I can find it 2002-03).If that was changed, it was not an announced change. The 2002-2003 does not say anything in the rulebook that says the amount of panels on a basketball. I will look in a NF Pre-Season Guide when I get around to it, but I do not remember this ever being a change. There might have been a change, but honestly I would not care about this change. If the ball had 6 panels (even thought I have never seen a ball with that many panels) you still played the game. The amount of panels on the ball is about as important as how long the net has to be. If there was a rules change, great.

The only place I have seen a 10 panel ball used was at the college level. Also when I have seen a ball without the NF mark, we still play the game.

Peace

Has anyone mentioned recently that you're going straight to he!!?

I'll save you the trouble of looking. Just go back to your 2002-03 rule book, open it to p.13 and look at rule 1-12-1(c). That rule says <i>"it shall have a deeply pebbled cover with the traditionally shaped <b>eight panels</b> bonded tightly to the rubber carcass"</i>. Then look on p.74 of the 2003-04 rulebook under <b>COMMENTS ON THE 2003-04 RULES REVISIONS</b>. The first comment says <i>This change deletes the previously required <b>eight panels</b> on a legal basketball. The new description of a legal basketball has been changed to "a deeply-pebbled cover with horizontally shaped panels bonded tightly to the rubber carcass"</i>.

It's true, it's true....

Yup....Rainmaker.

I completely believe you. I would hope that someone has a lot more to worry about then what the specifics are on the basketball. If the rule does not care how many panels you have on the ball, then why worry about it (unless you are trying to win a bet or something like that). And for the record, you are not going to find any evidence in rulebooks since then that this requirement of panels ever existed. ;)

Peace

Well, personally, if someone asks me about a legal ball, I tell 'em to look for a "29.5" and an "NFHS" on it. And if there ain't one around like that, which I have run into, then find one that's round, bounces and that both coaches agree is OK.

I would say most of the time we use basketball that have neither of those marks on them. Guess what? We still play.

Peace

If anyone cares, we've used the 10-panel basketballs in games and the players with smaller hands liked them, but most players didn't notice any difference.

You should have noticed when they were legalized in the rule book because Rawlings was one of the sponsors for that year's rule book and they had an offer in it to order one at a reasonable rate.

You are two poets
Who shouldn't show it

Not me!! I said you were a "grunting flea-picking neanderthal". That is a reference to past time, not future. I wouldn't even care to guess where you'll spend your eternity.

Ya know, now that you mention it, I remember thinking..." huh, Rawlings just happens to have an exclusive ad in the rulebook that suddenly allows thier "new" ball."

That kinda sat wrong with me. Seemed to me that the NF was willing to drop an equipment rule as long as any mfg. was willing to pony up enough $$$ . Where is the NFHS headquaters? Washington D.C.? Anyone else remember that?

For all the graft, corruption and back room dealing I've only seen the 10 panel ball a few times and never at a HS game. I don't mind this change, but I wouldn't want to see them legalize that rediculous looking international ball.

I noticed that the back cover of the new rule book has another Rawlings ball ad. Under the big "X" logo is stamped the word "TRUTH." What's that about?

Anybody else notice the one-legged girl on the front of the new book?

"Guilty, your Honor".

Yes, last season I rejected the ball that FIBA is using in the current WC tournament. It doesn't meet the color requirement of 1-12-1a.

Ok, Rut, but while I'm pulling that stick out of my ***, you go pull your HEAD out of yours!
The original poster, oc, asked if there was a change in the rules a couple of year ago to legalize the 10-panel ball. You replied:
That's been shown to be totally WRONG.

Then you wrote:
Again, 100% WRONG. JR and I both quoted the rule from that season which specified eight panels. Just accept it, admit it, say it out loud if that helps.

But clearly you can't quite bring yourself to do that, so you take to throwing childish insults and writing the laughable:
Who gives a rat's rear if you care about this or not. No one asked! OC obviously cares since he took the time to ask a question about it. So either give him the correct answer or SHUT UP. Once again we have a thread on this forum in which you have managed to make multiple posts without contributing a darn thing. If you don't know or don't care, is it really so hard for you to keep quiet? :rolleyes:

Yeah......unlike myself and M&M, your resident raconteurs and poet laureates.

Want us to write a poem about it?

<i>Legs are truly great
You can even ask my mutt
Because if you didn't have 'em
The ground would meet your butt.</i>

- dedicated to Chuck.

Stop that rhyming and I mean it.
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Raconteur? I think I had to replace that on my car once...

Nevada, I'm not insinuating anything by this, other than just to say you are the first person I know to have ever disallowed a ball for use in a game. I would think 99.9% of all schools order "legal" balls, and I've never run across the issue of having to decide their legality. I have had a couple that have been in relatively used condition, and a simple check with the other coach verifies they don't really care - it's round and bounces, so let's play. The IHSA even mandates a specific brand of ball for post-season use (similar to the Fed. accepting Rawlings money for advertising in the rulebook), and I'll have to admit it's not on my radar in the pre-game issues going on at that time. Now, if someone came up to me and asked to use one of the old ABA balls, I might ask for one of the real balls instead. But it seems like it has never come up. That's why I wondered if there are any "illegal" balls out there that someone might legitimately assume is legal? Or is the rule in place so someone just doesn't try to slip in a volleyball?

Ok, back to poetry:

There once was a Chuck from Nantucket,
<font size = -2>(Oh, never mind...)</font size>

Anybody want a peanut?

Guys like you are the reason that a lot of officials get turned off by this place and the internet in general. You take a relatively minor issue and blow it up as life and death. There is a guy like you in one of my football organizations that argues with people about every minor detail in the rules. He interrupts presentations to make points that have little to do with what is being talked about. And is one of the most disliked and worst officials in the entire association.

Dude, I got a question wrong about a rule that has long been out of the rulebook. I did not shoot your dog. I cannot remember what I had for breakfast yesterday, let alone how many panels have ever been on a basketball.

Your rant is definitely not contributing anything to this site, it just shows how anal you are and why people give you crap on many other topics. (While whispering :) )If you have not noticed, many people are mocking this topic. You are the only one that seems to care about the answer. Even the OPer is not saying anything. One of these days you will understand what is really important in life.

Peace

If you put an...[img]...at the front of your cite, and an...[/img] at the end, you can link direct to the picture.

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with or without brackets?

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With square brackets. If you click on "QUOTE" on my previous post with the picture showing, you'll see how it's done.

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AAAAHHHHH. Thank you!

I wouldn't call it worrying about the ball, we should all be just as concerned about the ball as any other piece of game equipment, for integrity's sake. basketball - ball = basket.

come to think of it, does it say anywhere that the rims have to be a certain color?

Yep.

1-10-2 "... The ring and its attaching flange and braces shall be bright orange in color."

Of course, Rut will come along shortly to tell you to play the game anyway if they are the wrong color, or that that may be the rule, but he doesn't care about it, or there is some guy somewhere near where he lives that officiates football or some other sport who has an opinion and blah, blah, blah. In short, he will say something, we don't know what it will be, but he won't answer the question you asked. :p

Actually the rule says "Orange shade or natural color."

If you are going to be a rules guy, you have to get things like this right. :D

Peace

And if you ever extract your cranium from your rectum, you will see that angryZebra asked about the color of the rims NOT the ball. :eek:

Now what was that about getting it right? :p

See, folks, I told you he wouldn't answer angryZebra's question! What was Rut's course of action this time? He made up his own question about the color of the ball and answered that. Just classic!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Um, I'd probably do that too, Nevada.

What do you suggest doing? Forfeit? Suspended game?:confused:

JR, I don't disagree with that. I'm merely pointing out that this kind of response, while practical, doesn't serve to answer the question asked by our fellow referee. That's all.

Nevada,

It is called having a since of humor.

Peace

You Still Play The Game!!!!
 

Yaaaaa!!!!

If we cannot find a ball that fits the rule I will play the game. If the court has illegal markings on them, I would play the game. If the lines on the court are the wrong size, I will play the game. If a team has a uniform that has no numbers on both size of the jersey, but has numbers, I am playing the game. If a player has a different pair of shorts then the rest of his teammates, I will still play the game (this actually happen in the playoffs this past season I worked).

Why, because we were told to. Just about every sport if there is something wrong not perfect but not a safety issue, we have been told to play the game by the state. How do we resolve these problems? We file a Special Report and we play the game anyway.

Peace

What's a SINCE?

Another preprogrammed response.
Good to see that the Rutbot is functioning.

Does this work for you?
 

Well it would be “sense of humor.” It is called not proof reading.

I forgot, we all must respond to this board the way you want us to Nevada.

Funny the OPer has not come back one time to respond. Then again, you know what is best for everyone on this board. Remind me next time to personally check with you as to when and how I respond. Considering you have been here longer than I have and you know what everyone is thinking. ;)

Peace

OK.

Carry on with your crusade.:)