Associations ratings

[garote]

In Utah we have 2 rankings, one for men's and one for Womens.

100,150,200,250,300. 100 being the highest.

so you can have a 100m/100w rating or any other combination.

The ranking are done by evaluations, board member observations..etc


JV same but start at 400 - 700

[tjones1]

Here how it works in Illinois. Rating of 1 through 5 can be given. Here's how they are defined (from our Sports Official Handbook):

1 = State Final Official -- Must be good enough to be assigned to the State Final Tournament. Must be in the top 10% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge, physical appearance, mechanics and signals, positioning, game management, attitude/professionalism, consistency, judgment and reaction to pressure.

2 = Sectional Level Official -- Must be good enough to be assigned to a Sectional tournament. Must be in the top 25% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge, physical appearance, mechanics and signals, positioning, game management, attitude/professionalism, consistency, judgment and reaction to pressure.

3 = Regional Level Official -- Must be good enough to be assigned to a Regional tournament. Must be in the top 50% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge, physical appearance, mechanics and signals, positioning, game management, attitude/professionalism, consistency, judgment and reaction to pressure.

4 = Varsity Level Official -- The official is good enough to be assigned to varsity contests but needs more game experience to become a Regional level official.

5 = Lower Level Contest Only -- This official should be assigned to lower level contests to gain more game experience to become a Varsity level official.

[TwoDot]

Montana rates officials into three categories. Master, Certified and Apprentice. You must be a certified official to work varsity games unless there is a shortage of officials in an area. Post-Season work is mainly Master officials, some certified can work if shortages in one area.
Apprentice officials are new officials less than 2 years experience. To move up to Certified takes two years score 70% on open book exam, and have approval of the pool assigners. Certified to Master takes another 2 years, score 80% on closed book exam and approval of assignors. Should also have worked 10 varsity contests. Also, all officials must pay dues on time and attend rules clinic each year or lose rating.
No Difference any more on boys and girls. They consider it one sport.

[rainmaker]

Put me in the group of people who don't understand rankings that put a top women's rating lower than a top men's rating. Or if it's high school, then boys/girls. Are you really saying that boys' refs are better than girls' refs? Even if you believe that, it's hard to imagine institutionalizing it in that way. So I"m guessing that's not what your association means. But I bet it takes a lot of explaining of whatever the meaning is.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Put me in the group of people who don't understand rankings that put a top women's rating lower than a top men's rating. Or if it's high school, then boys/girls. Are you really saying that boys' refs are better than girls' refs? Even if you believe that, it's hard to imagine institutionalizing it in that way. So I"m guessing that's not what your association means. But I bet it takes a lot of explaining of whatever the meaning is.

I sincerely believe it (if we're talking about those who do ONLY boys and ONLY girls). Sweeping generalization and there are exceptions, but in general (on average) I believe this is the case.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by garote

In Utah we have 2 rankings, one for men's and one for Womens.

100,150,200,250,300. 100 being the highest.

so you can have a 100m/100w rating or any other combination.

The ranking are done by evaluations, board member observations..etc


JV same but start at 400 - 700

Those sound like Arbiter rankings.

[Zack]

Here in the Seattle area we have observers that rate us and just have a varsity and JV list. Varsity officials rate JV officials while we have paid observers rate varsity officials. We then use interpolation and spit out an average. Top 7 JV officials move up to bottom of varsity while bottom 7 varsity move down to top of the JV list.

Curious as to what they do in Wisconsin, anyone know?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zack

Here in the Seattle area we have observers that rate us and just have a varsity and JV list. Varsity officials rate JV officials while we have paid observers rate varsity officials. We then use interpolation and spit out an average. Top 7 JV officials move up to bottom of varsity while bottom 7 varsity move down to top of the JV list.

Curious as to what they do in Wisconsin, anyone know?

Wisconsin? We solicit our own games from schools and leagues. The state has 6 levels of officials and only L5 and Master (the top 2 levels) can work playoffs. To be Master (you can only increase 1 level a year, 2 if you attend a clinic), you only need score 90 on Part I and Part II open book, attend a state meeting, send everything in on time, and have a schedule of 16 varsity dates.

It was my 3rd year here before I became playoff eligible and my 4th before I became Master level even though I've been officiating since 1987.

The coaches rate officials on a scale of 1 to 6 for each game and they send those out in the summer. Not sure how the state uses those ratings and how much weight they receive.

[deecee]

the boys varsity refs are rated higher than the girls because there is greater competition for the boys side -- the girls side has fewer top officials to chose from out of their pool so its just a way to differentiate the officials who are vying for the boys side from those that are the best to those that are second tier.

in california -- at least SoCal -- ratings go from 1C (lowest) to 5A highest -- if you are a 3A you qualify for some girls varisty -- if you are a 4A you qualify for all GV and few BV -- once you get to 5C - 5A you go to top of the list for playoffs.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by deecee

the boys varsity refs are rated higher than the girls because there is greater competition for the boys side -- the girls side has fewer top officials to chose from out of their pool so its just a way to differentiate the officials who are vying for the boys side from those that are the best to those that are second tier.

So what you're saying is that refs who are interested in doing girls games are second tier? I think if I were you, I'd put down that shovel and quit digging right now.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So what you're saying is that refs who are interested in doing girls games are second tier?

I would say, rather, that many officials who recognize that they are second tier are interested in girls' games b/c it's generally the case that it's easier to move up on the girls' side. There are very obviously many first tier officials on the girls' side who chose the girls' game for their own reasons.

But for many male officials who can't or don't want to fight their way up the boys' ladder, the girls' side is an easier way to a good schedule.

I think that's true around here, anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So what you're saying is that refs who are interested in doing girls games are second tier? I think if I were you, I'd put down that shovel and quit digging right now.

That is the case here. It takes longer and you have to have worked better games to get a state final on the boy's side. Also there is much more competition to work the boy's games. Many officials (most are male, we must keep this in mind) want to work the boy's games and girl's games are often an afterthought.

Peace

[stripes]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So what you're saying is that refs who are interested in doing girls games are second tier? I think if I were you, I'd put down that shovel and quit digging right now.

It is not PC to say it, but we all know that there are many officials who believe that the girl's game is inferior to the boys. That may or may not be the case, but many officials believe it. IMO, officials who choose to work only one side are making a choice based on what they want out of their careers.

I believe Chuck and Jeff have it just nailed as far as it really happens in my neck of the woods, many officials (males) who do not progress quickly on the boys side go to the girls and they move there. It may not be PC to say it, but they are not top tier officials and they do move faster on the women's side.

I stopped reffing girls games about 5-6 years ago. For me it was a question of time and pounding on my joints. I enjoyed the boys games much more than the girls and it was an easy choice about where to cut games out of my schedule. I have never regretted it once.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

So what you're saying is that refs who are interested in doing girls games are second tier? I think if I were you, I'd put down that shovel and quit digging right now.

Many refs in my area work both sides, myself included. Some do only girls. Some do only boys. In general, the boys side is a little more competitive although there are some "girls only" refs who would do excellent on the boys side. It was easier for me to advance quickly on the girls side when I first started.

Interestingly, many of the "boys only" refs work college ball only on the girls side.

There are some "girls only" refs that get girls varsity games who I would not be comfortable with working a very intense, high-level boys game with. It would be too fast and too intense for them.

There are also some great "boys only" officials who are great at 4A games but do not do a good job at B or 1A boys games. They hold to the same "let them play" philosophy at B or 1A and the players at that level aren't able to play through that contact. I wouldn't want to work a girls game with them because of their inability to adjust down.

Our state is really pushing all officials to work both boys and girls. In fact, state dues are now a flat fee and joins you to both of your local associations (both boys and girls). You can still work only one side if you wish, but you are paying to join both. Many of our officials who have previously worked for only one side are going to do a few games for the "other side" this coming season. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out over the next couple of years.

Z

[REFVA]

Sad to say, but the association I do games for are based on who you know. Although I have bust my butt and have gotten my share of high level games. In general it does not work that way..