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[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I know what you mean; I know I would be uncomfortable standing in between the player doing the throw-in and the rest of the team, so I would probably give it away by pointing the right direction again.

Yes, it's deception, but it is still using things that are part of the game of basketball - running, dribbling, passing, shooting.

You guys are kidding, right? It's only deception in the way that an iso play is deception. And if the other team is stupid enough to fall for it....

Although, if a team is 50 points ahead and they try this, I gotta admit, I'll interfere. But the only two times I've seen it work, it was the team that was way, way behind that tried it and pulled it off. No way I'm gonna do anything to stop that!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You guys are kidding, right? It's only deception in the way that an iso play is deception. And if the other team is stupid enough to fall for it....

Although, if a team is 50 points ahead and they try this, I gotta admit, I'll interfere. But the only two times I've seen it work, it was the team that was way, way behind that tried it and pulled it off. No way I'm gonna do anything to stop that!

I disagree. It's deceptive in a different way than an isolation play is deceptive. It just isn't basketball; it's not the way the game is meant to be played. I rather like the terminology the NCAA uses: deceitful.

Rather than being like an isolation play, it's more like the play in football where one wide receiver acts like he's heading off the field, then stops right at the OOB line and turns to face the same direction as his teammates off the field. His ploy is to convince the defense that he's left the field so they don't guard him. It exploits the confusion surrounding an unrelated artifact of the game (in this case players entering and leaving the field between downs) to try and gain an unintended advantage. And, in this case as well, you could argue that the defense should be more aware and not get fooled. Only in football this play is illegal.

You can lump this wrong-end-of-the-floor play in with shouting/clapping at a player going for a layup and the barking dog. None of them are expressly illegal; but all of them just aren't how the game is supposed to be played.

[SMEngmann]

Are we really discussing someone getting down on their hands and knees and barking like a dog? I don't consider this an act of deceit, rather it is an act of foolishness. An act of deceit would be, as someone mentioned, pretending to faint on the court or feining a serious injury, not barking like a dog. If this ridiculous tactic actually works more power to the team that pulls it off, but in effect, the "barking dog" reduces your squad's effectiveness by a player.

Would I T this? Doubtful, unless I deemed that the act was demeaning to the other team in some way, in which case the T may be flagrant. The difference between faking an injury and acting like an idiot is huge, especially given the fact that several players over the last few years have died on the court and it's a serious matter. I think we are being bored and even over officious with this interpretation.

[deecee]

I think for the most part the "game is supposed to be played" how it is being played by the two teams on the court -- sometimes worse than what we are used to sometimes better -- but for the most part its their game who are we to tell them "Hey we dont like someting." If they break the rules fine but to call a player acting like an idiot deceitful is a joke. It doesn't exploit anything because unlike football subs need to be called onto the court by the official. Unlike football players are allowed to be anywhere on the court at any time (for the most part) there is no offsides and running plays from set stances. And unlike football we dont throw flags (dont know what that has to do with it).

By the way why isnt the fake field goal or punt deceitful -- fake and deceit are synonyms but it is what it is -- teams are ready and expecting those so they are prepared -- a player getting on all fours might not be what anyone is expecting but hey no rules have been broken, no team insulted, no one gets hurt and everyone get a good laugh. Yup sounds like a time to drop a T bomb to me...