Woof woof T

[TADW_Elessar]

Originally Posted by deecee

I mean if a player can go up against heavy pressure and get fouled and make a tough strong finish how is a yell gonna scare him off. If it does maybe he should be thinkging about how he is going to approach his tee the following moring.

A defender is supposed to block a shot by defending, not by distracting his opponent(s). Therefore, the shooter will expect a defender to try to block his shot, to steal the ball and sometimes to get fouled. He will not expect anyone to imitate a monkey. Even if the action doesn't have a direct effect upon the shot (and it usually has, anyway), the try itself is a clear (or it is to me at least ) example of unsportsmanlike conduct.

We aren't on a golf green, but we aren't in a circus tent either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TADW_Elessar

A defender is supposed to block a shot by defending, not by distracting his opponent(s).

Can you please cite a rule- NFHS or NCAA- that will back up that statement?

Officials can't make calls based on their own personal likes and dislikes.

[TADW_Elessar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can you please cite a rule- NFHS or NCAA- that will back up that statement?

Officials can't make calls based on their own personal likes and dislikes.

It is not in the spirit and intent of the rules.
I also had a look at the NCAA rulebook and found this:

Rule 10. Fouls and penalties
"[...] Direct technical fouls include, but are not limited to, infractions that are unsporting in nature, such as acts of deceit, and disrespectful or vulgar remarks to officials or opponents."

FIBA also says:
38.1.2 Each team shall do its best to secure victory, but this must be done in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play.
38.1.3 Any deliberate or repeated non-cooperation or non-compliance with the spirit of this rule shall be considered as a technical foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TADW_Elessar

It is not in the spirit and intent of the rules.
I also had a look at the NCAA rulebook and found this:

Rule 10. Fouls and penalties
"[...] Direct technical fouls include, but are not limited to, infractions that are unsporting in nature, such as acts of deceit, and disrespectful or vulgar remarks to officials or opponents."

FIBA also says:
38.1.2 Each team shall do its best to secure victory, but this must be done in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play.
38.1.3 Any deliberate or repeated non-cooperation or non-compliance with the spirit of this rule shall be considered as a technical foul.

Dude, yelling from someone from behind is not considered an unsporting act under NFHS or NCAA rules, unless what the person actually yells is unsporting by itself- i.e. swearing, trash-talk, etc. Iow, it might be a "T" under FIBA rules, but it sureasheck isn't a "T" over here.

[TADW_Elessar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Dude, yelling from someone from behind is not considered an unsporting act under NFHS or NCAA rules, unless what the person actually yells is unsporting by itself- i.e. swearing, trash-talk, etc. Iow, it might be a "T" under FIBA rules, but it sureasheck isn't a "T" over here.

I see, but what about the "woof woof" play then?
It is an "act of deceit", isn't it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TADW_Elessar

I see, but what about the "woof woof" play then?
It is an "act of deceit", isn't it?

Yup, but that doesn't automatically make it an unsporting act under NFHS and NCAA rules. We're trying to get clarification now, but the general rule of thumb is that if something is not specifically listed as being illegal, it probably is legal until definitively ruled upon.

[TADW_Elessar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, but that doesn't automatically make it an unsporting act under NFHS and NCAA rules. We're trying to get clarification now, but the general rule of thumb is that if something is not specifically listed as being illegal, it probably is legal until definitively ruled upon.

Let's wait for the new casebook, then

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Dude, yelling from someone from behind is not considered an unsporting act under NFHS or NCAA rules, unless what the person actually yells is unsporting by itself- i.e. swearing, trash-talk, etc. Iow, it might be a "T" under FIBA rules, but it sureasheck isn't a "T" over here.

Question for y'all regarding this. I seem to recall that it was a Technical foul if you ran up behind a player attempting a layup and slapped your hands together loudly to distract the player taking the shot. I would class this in the same boat as yelling at them when taking a shot. So am I wrong to think a T is deserved for clapping your hands together in this manner? I have not had to give one out but I have received one when I was in High school and that was like 25 years ago.

Smoke

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

So am I wrong to think a T is deserved for clapping your hands together in this manner?

Well, imo that shouldn't have been called 25 years ago and it also shouldn't be called now- at any level. There has never been a rule, case play or A.R. saying to call that act that I know of- NFHS or NCAA.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, imo that shouldn't have been called 25 years ago and it also shouldn't be called now- at any level. There has never been a rule, case play or A.R. saying to call that act that I know of- NFHS or NCAA.

Ok thanks. I was told it falls under Unsportsmanlike conduct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by TADW_Elessar

It is not in the spirit and intent of the rules.
I also had a look at the NCAA rulebook and found this:

Rule 10. Fouls and penalties
"[...] Direct technical fouls include, but are not limited to, infractions that are unsporting in nature, such as acts of deceit, and disrespectful or vulgar remarks to officials or opponents."

Guess no more fake passes, head fakes or pump fakes since they're attempts to deceive the defense.

[TADW_Elessar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Guess no more fake passes, head fakes or pump fakes since they're attempts to deceive the defense.

Umph... come on!