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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 01:25am
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A1 at the end line, threw a fast break to his teammate who is in the frontcourt. Because he was in a hurry to throw the ball, his body carried him inside the court while the ball is still in the air. Please take note that A1 when he released the ball, he was completely out-of-bounds.

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Is there violation committed or advantage by A1 under the latest rules of FIBA?

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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 07:01am
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Bo don't know FIBA, but would really hope this is not a violation.

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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 07:47am
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This is not a violation.

FIBA 26.4 Rule

26.4.1 A player taking a throw-in shall not:
• Touch the ball on the court before it has touched another player.
• Step on the court before or whilst releasing the ball.
• Take more than five (5) seconds to release the ball.
• Whilst releasing, cause the ball to touch out-of-bounds without
being touched inbounds by a player.
• Cause the ball to enter the basket directly.
• Move a distance of more than one (1) metre laterally nor move
in more than one direction from the place designated by the
official before or whilst releasing the ball. It is, however,
permitted to move backwards and perpendicular to the line as
far as circumstances allow.


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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 09:34am
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For the safe of discussion, this would be a violation under NF rules if it happened during a spot throw-in.

Whether it would be called or not is a different story.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 10:02am
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For the safe of discussion, this would be a violation under NF rules if it happened during a spot throw-in.

Whether it would be called or not is a different story.
I disagree, Tony. The inbounder released the ball, then entered the court. This is legal.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 10:10am
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it happens a lot.

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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For the safe of discussion, this would be a violation under NF rules if it happened during a spot throw-in.

Whether it would be called or not is a different story.
I disagree, Tony. The inbounder released the ball, then entered the court. This is legal.
Yer right, Bob.
So many times on an endline throw-in after a score, we see the thrower step OOB with one foot , lift the other off the floor (but still inside the plane) and pass the ball inbounds.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 10:12am
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I agree with Bob. No violation.

How many times do we make the players go all the way OOB they grab the ball after a made basket have one foot OOB pick up the other foot and throw the ball in?

In fact if I remember right a few years ago it was a violation for the player OOB to release the ball while breaking the plane, and that was removed, so that now if a player is throwing the ball and crosses the plane, the defense can take it, or tie the OOB player up.

I dont have a rule book in front of me but I dont think there is any provision about having the body behind the OOB plane. The only violation may occur if the player jumped and was not over the designated spot. After a made basket I think there would be no prohibiton.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 12:08pm
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NF 7-6-2 states the thrower cannot leave the designated spot until the ball is released on the throw-in. Generally, this is interpreted as having one foot on or over the spot until release.

BTW - leave it to FEEBLE (FIBA) to use a word like "whilst".
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 12:32pm
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NF 7-6-2 states the thrower cannot leave the designated spot until the ball is released on the throw-in. Generally, this is interpreted as having one foot on or over the spot until release.

BTW - leave it to FEEBLE (FIBA) to use a word like "whilst".
Excellent point with regard to the whole body being in bounds but not touching the floor.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 12:37pm
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BTW - leave it to FEEBLE (FIBA) to use a word like "whilst". [/B][/QUOTE]

Are you trying to start another war?

Mark...you're from the west coast...ever work with or hear of Joe Thompson, Joe Jarvie, Buddy Horton, or Bill Crowley?
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 04:48pm
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Semantics guys. If he leaves the spot before he releases the ball, it's a violation. If he's still over the spot it's not. I read it that he had left the spot before the ball was released. If that's not what happended, no violation, no big deal.

Sheesh.
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 05:23pm
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Semantics guys. If he leaves the spot before he releases the ball, it's a violation. If he's still over the spot it's not. I read it that he had left the spot before the ball was released. If that's not what happended, no violation, no big deal.

Sheesh.
I can see that... now.
Yeah, you were right!
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Old Wed Jul 25, 2001, 09:37pm
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I can see that... now.
Yeah, you were right!
mick
Thank you mick!

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