Possible intentional foul
 

A1 has abreakaway layup. I am T. B1 fouls A1 pretty hard from my point of view. L calls foul, but not intentional. From what I saw I may have called the intentional.

At the next break my partner says he should have called the intentional. Is there anything that I could have done at the point of the play (talk to official about possible intentional call, make the intentional call from the L, etc.) that I could have or should or shouldn't have done?

Sure. Come in fast and ask him, "Could that be intentional?" That gives puts it in his head and gives him the chance to say "Yup, you're right!" or "I don't think so".

You see this in the NBA all the time, they get together and make a decision. Nothing wrong with that.

This exact situation is something that I like to include in the pre-game. In this situation, the L is oftentimes to close to the play to have a good perspective on the "flagrant foul" decision. If I'm C or T and I think it's a flagrant, I'm coming strong with the signal. I think it's wise to mirror the flagrant signal - if one has it, then at least two should signal the flagrant. It's an easier discussion w/ the coach ("coach, I understand you disagree with that call, however both my partner and I thought it was a flagrant; you'll get the same call at the other end...").

I'd prefer not to have a conference on this, but if we have to, then OK.

What's the "flagrant" signal? ;)

Arms crossed in an x...... do you guys like to give this signal in front of you (like I do) or do you give it above your head like I have seen some do????

Actually, I don't like to use that signal at all for a flagrant foul...works great for an Intentional foul - at which point I signal it above my head like the mechanics manual show...but it's not the signal for a flagrant foul...

Unfortunately that is not the signal for a flagrant foul. There is no signal for a flagrant foul at all.

Peace

intentional foul.
 

NFHS POE for Intentional foul.

The committee continues to be concerned about how games end. While there has been some improvement in the application of the rule, there is still need for further understanding and enforcement. An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position. Contact away from the ball or when not making a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting, shall be intentional. Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.

Above is the interpretation of NFHS of what an intentional foul is. If you are administering NFHS rules and you see it to be intentional, You can confer with your partner. Always pull him to the side and discuss it. If he still believe it to be different, then he live and dies by his call.

Unless it's maybe an intentional flagrant. . . :D

Another thread on this?!? :o

I think you should get the fiba sign, it's really good actually
both arms straight up with fists closed

That's the signal for a double foul in FIBA.


The signal for an unsportsmanlike foul (aka intentional or flagrent) is one hand clasping the other wrist above the head. A disqualifying foul is both fists held straight up above the head

Had this exact same sitch a couple weeks ago. I was T in a two-person game, fast break layup, kind of a hip check on the already-airborne shooter, though not flagrant. Two bodies on the floor - hard. Partner comes out with fist raised, but no "X". I jog in like I normally would, make eye contact, and subtly make the "X" sign, low in front of my chest a couple times to give him the hint. Sure enough, after a few seconds, he signalled intentional. No one b*tched.

correct me if i'm wrong---both arm straight up with fists closed is
DISQUALIFYING FOUL during my FIBA time...

FIBA LIC.# 96106

This would be what we in NFHS call a flagrant foul. But we don't have a signal for it. I'd prefer to have a signal, but I'm not on the rules committee.

Fortunately I've only called one flagrant in my career (in a recent 3 on 3 tournament), but the mechanic I've seen and would use is the "cross and toss". The intentional mechanic followed by a point to the showers.

My experience with the flagrant fouls was that I really didn't have time to focus on making up a mechanic for it. I blew whistle and focussed on stopping the chaos. The players were then sent to their bench while my partner and I discussed what happened and what we're going to do about it. Then we walked to the table and explained to the table and both coaches what the call is. There wasn't much need for a mechanic, to be honest.

Now that I've passed the 2000 mark, I can contradict myself with abandon. :)

I feel like I'm almost half the man you are (920 right here), but then we worked together enough that I already knew that.

Hey, that's a cheap shot. True, but cheap. ;)