Mechanic Question
 

Simple and probably silly question, but...

A team control foul is called, you use the new "punch" mechanic.

Now, when you report the foul to the table, do you "punch" towards the table or towards the direction of the non-offending team's basket (indicating the new direction of play)?

I don't think there's been any directive from the FED, but I'd go with the direction of play.

Agreed, I don't think the details have come out yet.

Can someone explain the punch method and when to use it thanks it is new to me for some reason.

It's new to us all. It was announced in the new rule changes for next season. Here's what we know for sure:

Among the five rules changes was the addition of a new signal for a team-control foul. The mechanics for this signal will be extension of the arm with the fist punched. Struckhoff said the new signal should eliminate confusion at the scorer's table, as well as with players, coaches and fans.

This is how we do it:
Call the foul
Point in the direction of the play with the fist or punch whatever
Hustle off and report foul to the scorebench, eg. #5 blue block, red ball side or baseline, then again pointing with the fist towards the direction of play.
The main idea of the the fist is to show that it is a team control foul and that there will be no shots taken.

point the way of play, this has been the fiba mechanics for ages now (and it's really good :) )

How do you report to the table under this foul for NCAA-W?

TJ1, the mechanic I described was a FIBA mechanic. Do not know what mechanics are to be used for NCAA-W. There must surely be books on mechanics available for the various codes in the US. As we only referee to one code (FIBA) in N.Z. we do not have that problem, cheers

same thing here in sweden (and the entire europe)
one code, one set of rules and mechanics, fiba
that's much much easier

The same as any other foul -- the signal is the punch. An explanation (illegal screen, etc) can be added for clarity.

I don't think we will "punch" at the table. Usually, the team control signal will be given for either an illegal screen or a pass and crash. The former is almost certainly a block, and the latter a push (or charge). So, that's how I'm reporting it at the table, the same as any other foul.

The punch is for the signal while the foul is called, giving everyone the indication that a team control foul has been called and the resumption of play will be a throw in nearest the spot of the foul.

I'm open to what they say we should do at the table, but absent that, you wouldn't give two signals at the table.

I still believe you will have to use the signal at the table. We use the team control signal at the table in college games. Not everyone is going to see your signal on the foul call. You need to make it clear to everyone that we are not shooting FTs.

Peace

Doesn't a point to the floor to the throw in location indicate you are not shooting free throws? It does on a common foul prior to the bonus where some may think the player who was fouled is in the act of shooting and you rule otherwise.

If they want us to give the punch signal, in addition to, or instead of, a block or push signal, that's fine. I will do it, but I don't see the point.

I'm not sure that too many people pay attention to signals anyway. They don't know what most of them mean.

if I understand the true mechanics of the punch, A lot of officials I work with that have been officiating for many year, use the punch to signal for a charging foul.

Do I have this correct?

If you are using pure NF mechanics (NCAA too), then you are not supposed to point to the floor to indicate "no shots." You are supposed to give the no shot (incomplete pass, declinded penalty) signal.

I am not saying it is completely the right thing to do. This is for other people do decide. I am just saying based on ever other signal types and sequences; they are going to require us to punch at the table. I could be wrong and but if you are calling a PC foul, you still report that to the table. This rule is not different.

Peace

How can anyone contradict what you have witnessed with your own eyes? If people are using the punch signal for charging or PC fouls, that would not surprise me. Considering the fact that many officials work college ball and HS at the same time, I am sure there are going to be cross mechanics and philosophies about those mechanics. I know there is from what I have seen. All I can say is using the punch would not be the proper mechanic for NF games. Your state, area, association could use a mechanic that is not within the confines of the NF Official's Manual.

Peace

I notice it some from folks who work NCAA-W when they have a PC. But this year a FED POE is proper signals so we'll have to see if commissioners/supervisors crack down on it.

It should be shown to the table, at least the reason they stated in the release was to clear up confusion at the table on when to shoot free-throws and when not to shoot.

I'm assuming you're talking about a player control foul vs. a "pass and crash" charge.

If you're referring to games officiated with NFHS rules, then those officials are incorrect and will continue to be incorrect even with this update. The correct mechanic for a player control foul is the hand behind the head signal.

The punch will only be valid for team control fouls, so that's why it would be incorrect to use in a PC situation. If you have a "pass and crash," then the punch would be correct because the player's control has terminated, but team control remains.

In our mechanics (FIBA) the pointing of the fist on a foul signifies a team control foul, for a charge, we use a punch on an open hand, so on a charge with team control foul we signal a punch to an open hand to the scorebench to denote the type of foul followed by the fist pointing direction of play, cheers