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I don't see calling the collection of players "ladies" or "gentlemen" as anything that could be construed as negative.
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Now the term upset someone in a camp or in an officiating situation. Now you know it is not just me is aware of the history of how the term is perceived. Peace
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Later on, even in American culture, "lady" did not connote servitude. It connoted "proper" (meaning, among other things, sexually proper) behavior. A lady didn't wear pants, for example, or sit astride a horse. It didn't have anything to do with demeaning somebody. There is simply no case that I have ever heard for construing "lady" as connoting subservience. Now you have learned something. Maybe. And since this has NOTHING to do with basketball, I will withdraw from the topic.
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The ONLY time I have heard anyone say anything about calling players "ladies" was from a coach at one of those all-star type team camps. Team was from Houston, and there was a pile-up going for a loose ball right in front of their bench. I blew the whistle, got in there and said loudly "Nice hustle ladies. Everyone come up cleanly now." The coach asked me to not call his players ladies - he said "I don't want them to play like ladies, so please don't call them that."
My response - "Coach, do yoy want them to call me 'Sir?'" When he said "yes" I told him "Then I will be just as respectful to them" and he agreed that was a good approach. I have never heard any evaluator get on someone for being respectful to players... |
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Don't know the history of the word "ladies" nor do I care. Just noting that I have known of some observers (and even some coaches) that don't like their refs using certain terms like ladies, gentlemen, etc. I don't find it offensive, but they do so I just avoid it.
Instead of figuring out what some find offensive, I have just gotten in the habit of referring to players as "players." If I need to talk to a particular player, I use their number. "Hey 24 white, blah, blah, blah." I can't imagine that I'll ever offend anyone with "player." Rex-X said it was Women's JUCO he was trying out for so I thought I'd toss in my 2 cents. I didn't mean to create a firestorm. Z Last edited by zebraman; Thu May 04, 2006 at 12:28pm. |
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Please get back to offering advice to the future camper as he has requested.
Any posts in this thread going forward that attempt to rebut or address this social/race issue will be deleted. Thanks for your cooperation. Contact me privately if we need to discuss further. Practical Advice for the camper: Since most here have mentioned what to do while on the court, I will address what to do off... Remember that camp is like an interview so show up like it is one. Dress Proffesionally (not necessarily a suit, but nice shirt, slacks maybe a sport coat, dress shoes etc.) No shorts, athletic shirts, hats, sandals, flip flops etc. Always act professionally. Someone is always watching whether you are on the court or not. In other words carry yourself with confidence, don't use profanity, don't talk about other officials whether they are there or not (they don't like gossips) Listen intently to what the observers are telling you and/or your fellow campers. Leave them alone while they are observing, and don't try to "cozy up to them" or Kiss butt. They see right through that. Be punctual and have all your paperwork in order for registration. This shows that you are accountable, organized and "handle your business". Here is another one, don't ask questions that you already know the answers to, to show how much you know. If you have a question, ask it concisely and let them answer, don't interject what you think the answer might be. Lastly, go to camp with the idea to learn and get better and not necessarily with the sole purpose of getting hired. If you approach it that way, good things will happen. Now you just have to do what the others said on the court and you should be golden! |
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I understand the respect of calling female players ladies. I call the players ladies all the time. I am trying to be respectful, not degrading. To stir the pot, calling someone players can denote a negative image. Either way, I always try to be respectful to the players on the court.
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Anyway...for the OP...one of the best officials I ever knew worked D2 women's ball along with HS ball. He never said "ladies" "guys" "fellas" "gentlemen" or "gals". Always used the term "players". Why, I asked. Because, he said, you never know what might offend any of these @ssholes. But don't take my word for it or any of the other so-called experts here. When you show up for camp ask the camp director what *he* prefers.
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