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Adam Sat Apr 15, 2006 04:36pm

I'm feelin ornery
 
Incredibly stupid points by Charley Rosen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5505042

Key quotes:
"The worst basketball rule on any level is the NCAA's alternating possession on a held-ball situation. The only reason why this abomination exists is because the refs aren't capable of properly implementing the tosses for jump balls."

"I don't favor the restraining arc under the basket since it makes automatic blocks of too many obvious charging violations. (This is another rule that's become necessary only because of referees' incompetence.)"

"I'd also like to see two more refs assigned to each game, both of them in off-court stationary positions — perhaps in raised chairs as in tennis. Their jobs would be limited to calling three- and eight-second violations, goaltending, and illegal defenses."

tjones1 Sat Apr 15, 2006 05:04pm

Eight seconds and illegal defense??? Last I knew, they got rid of illegal defense.... did it come back?? (Obviously I don't follow the Not Basketball Association.)

26 Year Gap Sat Apr 15, 2006 05:57pm

I'd like to see Charley Rosen take the test....and then post his grade. :D

ChuckElias Sat Apr 15, 2006 06:20pm

He's probably referring to the defensive 3-second violation.

tjones1 Sat Apr 15, 2006 06:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
He's probably referring to the defensive 3-second violation.

Ahhhh, got ya!

Corndog89 Sun Apr 16, 2006 04:19am

When did Forrest Gump change his name to Charley Rosen? And what is with the John Wooden blasphemy? One un-named ex-player says something negative and therefore it must be true???

Clearly this clown is a.....well, a clown. Just considering the source, it's hard to take his comments about officials very seriously.

BktBallRef Sun Apr 16, 2006 08:29am

Here's your chance to fire back at Charley Rosen. Got a question or a comment:

You advocate rule changes because of referee incompetence yet you couldn't pass a rules exam, high college or pro if your life depended on it. If you're up to the challenge, come to http://forum.officiating.com/ and we'll give you an opportunity to prove you're not an idiot.

There! Let's see if he'll accept the challenge!

ChuckElias Sun Apr 16, 2006 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
If you're up to the challenge, come to http://forum.officiating.com/ and we'll give you an opportunity to prove you're not an idiot.

Talk about ornery!! :eek:

26 Year Gap Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:41am

Not really. If you read closely, it is an opportunity to prove that he is NOT an idiot, not to prove that he IS one.

BktBallRef Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Not really. If you read closely, it is an opportunity to prove that he is NOT an idiot, not to prove that he IS one.

No, we're pretty sure that he is. It's an opportunity for him to prove otherwise! :D

He's written 13 books on the NBA, or so it says at the bottom of the story. Isn't it intetresting that he has to include that to give himself "credibility?"

26 Year Gap Sun Apr 16, 2006 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
No, we're pretty sure that he is. It's an opportunity for him to prove otherwise! :D

He's written 13 books on the NBA, or so it says at the bottom of the story. Isn't it intetresting that he has to include that to give himself "credibility?"


Probably doesn't even rise to the level of 'plumber's apprentice'.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Apr 16, 2006 08:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Incredibly stupid points by Charley Rosen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5505042

Key quotes:
"The worst basketball rule on any level is the NCAA's alternating possession on a held-ball situation. The only reason why this abomination exists is because the refs aren't capable of properly implementing the tosses for jump balls."

"I don't favor the restraining arc under the basket since it makes automatic blocks of too many obvious charging violations. (This is another rule that's become necessary only because of referees' incompetence.)"

"I'd also like to see two more refs assigned to each game, both of them in off-court stationary positions — perhaps in raised chairs as in tennis. Their jobs would be limited to calling three- and eight-second violations, goaltending, and illegal defenses."


I have no opinion with regard to Charlie's third recommendation. But he is on point concerning his first two recommendations.

MTD, Sr.

26 Year Gap Sun Apr 16, 2006 08:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I have no opinion with regard to Charlie's third recommendation. But he is on point concerning his first two recommendations.

MTD, Sr.


So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

Mark Padgett Sun Apr 16, 2006 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.

If I remember correctly (and there's certainly no guarantee of that at my age), the NF did include some statement about inconsistency in "tossing" (no - not the British slang) being at least a partial factor in changing the rule and using the AP instead of the jump on tie-ups.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Apr 16, 2006 09:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
So, a guard makes a great play to tie up the ball with the opposing center, and you prefer to have those two jump it up instead of using an AP arrow? An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule. The AP arrow has made the game a much better game.


You state that: "An official's ability to throw up a straight toss has NO BEARING on the change in this rule." If that is the case, then the rules committees should get rid of the jump ball to start the game. By the way, if the game officials feel that the tossing official did not make a good toss, the toss can be called back and done over again.

MTD, Sr.


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