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Dan_ref Thu Jul 13, 2006 09:43pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
So, New York City is the Known Apple?

If by "known" you mean the place that is not responsible for The Big Dig then yes.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 05:55am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
If by "known" you mean the place that is not responsible for The Big Dig then yes.

Hey, quit picking on the Big Dig. Other than the leaks and the roof falling on cars, there's nuthin' the matter with it.

Hmmmm, could be the next great disaster movie:
- The Titanic
- The Poseidon Adventure
- The Big Dig(starring Ron Jeremy)

ChuckElias Fri Jul 14, 2006 06:55am

The only good thing about the Big Dig is that I don't have to drive through it to get to Fenway.

ChuckElias Fri Jul 14, 2006 01:08pm

Well, tonight I'm off on my annual pilgimage. This year our destinations are Detroit and Toronto. No ballpark tour in Detroit, unfortunately, but we'll tour SkyDome.

You won't have me to kick around for a few days. You'll have to get your laughs somewhere else. Sorry!!

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
You won't have me to kick around for a few days. You'll have to get your laughs somewhere else. Sorry!!

No problem. We'll just switch to the Cubbies until you're back.

Don't forget that midnight walking tour of downtown Detroit. I hear that it's simply mah-velous.

Dan_ref Fri Jul 14, 2006 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Well, tonight I'm off on my annual pilgimage. This year our destinations are Detroit ...

Detroit? Why Detroit??

All the flights to Mogadishu booked?
Baghdad too inaccessible?
Beirut bothers your Tabbouleh allergies?
Pyongyang not your cup of tea?

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Detroit? Why Detroit??

All the flights to Mogadishu booked?
Baghdad too inaccessible?
Beirut bothers your Tabbouleh allergies?
Pyongyang not your cup of tea?

Well, Seattle is closed for the summer. And he doesn't want to go through the customs hassles that go with a trip to Chicago.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 14, 2006 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Well, tonight I'm off on my annual pilgimage. This year our destinations are Detroit and Toronto. No ballpark tour in Detroit, unfortunately, but we'll tour SkyDome.

You won't have me to kick around for a few days. You'll have to get your laughs somewhere else. Sorry!!

I don't care what the rest of them say - have a good time on your <B>little</B> trip. You certainly don't want to <B>short</B> yourself on the good times while you can still enjoy them. After all, seeing as many ballparks as you can is no <B>small</B> accomplishment. I would love to see Detroit's ballpark, although I'm sure there will be plenty of <B>ankle-biters</B> around since it's the weekend. I'm sure the crowd in Toronto will be <B>smaller</B>.

<font size = -2>Gosh Chuck, you didn't give me much time to cram a whole weekends' worth of humor into today's post...</font size>

I hope you can <B>squirrel</B> away a bunch of good memories from this experience. Life is too <B>short</B> to let opportunities like this pass you by. Good luck; hope you get a chance to catch a couple of <B>balls</B>!

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 03:12pm

And in other news today, Mark Prior was placed on the 15 day DL.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I don't care what the rest of them say - have a good time on your <B>little</B> trip. You certainly don't want to <B>short</B> yourself on the good times while you can still enjoy them. After all, seeing as many ballparks as you can is no <B>small</B> accomplishment. I would love to see Detroit's ballpark, although I'm sure there will be plenty of <B>ankle-biters</B> around since it's the weekend. I'm sure the crowd in Toronto will be <B>smaller</B>.

<font size = -2>Gosh Chuck, you didn't give me much time to cram a whole weekends' worth of humor into today's post...</font size>

I hope you can <B>squirrel</B> away a bunch of good memories from this experience. Life is too <B>short</B> to let opportunities like this pass you by. Good luck; hope you get a chance to catch a couple of <B>balls</B>!

That does it, Mister M. I'm reporting you to <b>PETOL</b>.
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/petol/
This discrimation against Chuck, RockyRoad and others of their kind <b>must</b> stop!

M&M Guy Fri Jul 14, 2006 03:26pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
And in other news today, Mark Prior was placed on the 15 day DL.

Where have you been; that's old news. That happened last week.

And at the first of the season.

And the middle of last season.

And the season before that.

I can feel Jim Hendrey's pain:
http://images2.sportsline.com/u/ap/p...413_viewer.jpg

M&M Guy Fri Jul 14, 2006 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
That does it, Mister M. I'm reporting you to <b>PETOL</b>.
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/petol/
This discrimation against Chuck, RockyRoad and others of their kind <b>must</b> stop!

Discrimination my azz!

I hold them in such high regard I, in fact, put them on a pedestal. (Just to be able to see them, of course...)

I'm off now to go hum Randy Newman tunes.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Where have you been; that's old news. That happened last week.

And at the first of the season.

And the middle of last season.

And the season before that.

Well to be fully accurate, Prior was on the DL from the start of this season until June 18th., and he officially went back on the DL today. So....he did have a little better than a 3-week season this year.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 14, 2006 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Well to be fully accurate, Prior was on the DL from the start of this season until June 18th., and he officially went back on the DL today. So....he did have a little better than a 3-week season this year.

Arrghh!

Leave me alone!

Chuck?! Where are you?! Please come back! I need you occupy JR's mind! It won't take much, I promise! Chuck!?...

Sigh...

Dan_ref Fri Jul 14, 2006 06:22pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Arrghh!

Leave me alone!

Chuck?! Where are you?! Please come back! I need you occupy JR's mind! It won't take much, I promise! Chuck!?...

Sigh...

We can talk about JR's wee-knee-ectomy. That will keep him occupied searching google for pictures of big hoses.

Of course he needs to go to google to see a hose that aint tiny...but that's another thread, aint it??

Jurassic Referee Fri Jul 14, 2006 08:13pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
We can talk about JR's wee-knee-ectomy. That will keep him occupied searching google for pictures of big hoses.

Or we can talk about your up-coming orchidectomy. I'll start searching Google for pinking shears.
http://www.nelsonthornes.com/samplei...kingshears.jpg

Dan_ref Sat Jul 15, 2006 09:40am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Or we can talk about your up-coming orchidectomy. I'll start searching Google for pinking shears.
http://www.nelsonthornes.com/samplei...kingshears.jpg

Nuts to you I say.

mick Sat Jul 15, 2006 06:09pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Nuts to you I say.

Didn't work.
I'm still couldn't make 2nd tenor.:mad:

Nevadaref Sat Jul 15, 2006 07:21pm

Ok, here's one for Chuck.

Last night the Braves and the Padres played a wild one. Atlanta had leads of 5-1, 8-5, 11-9, and 12-11, yet blew each of them. The Padres lead briefly at 9-8. Atlanta finally won it 15-12 in 11 innings.

Amazingly, Jorge Sosa, the Braves latest attempt at a closer, blew both the 11-9 and 12-11 leads in the 9th and 10th innings respectively.

Now since you like quirky baseball stats I thought that you might like to know that despite this he only gets one blown save. According to MLB it is not possible for the same pitcher to blow two saves in the same game!

The reason is that once he blows the first save opportunity he becomes the pitcher of record, and if his team retakes the lead, he is merely giving away his own win. You can't save your own win.

Of course, all the fans know that he blew it twice. :)

M&M Guy Sat Jul 15, 2006 09:36pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Ok, here's one for Chuck.

Last night the Braves and the Padres played a wild one. Atlanta had leads of 5-1, 8-5, 11-9, and 12-11, yet blew each of them. The Padres lead briefly at 9-8. Atlanta finally won it 15-12 in 11 innings.

Amazingly, Jorge Sosa, the Braves latest attempt at a closer, blew both the 11-9 and 12-11 leads in the 9th and 10th innings respectively.

Now since you like quirky baseball stats I thought that you might like to know that despite this he only gets one blown save. According to MLB it is not possible for the same pitcher to blow two saves in the same game!

The reason is that once he blows the first save opportunity he becomes the pitcher of record, and if his team retakes the lead, he is merely giving away his own win. You can't save your own win.

Of course, all the fans know that he blew it twice. :)

Nevada, leave it to you to find the quirky stuff. ;)

I heard another quirky thing happened last night in the Giants/Phillies game. The Giants outfield was Bonds, Finley and Alou, the first time 3 40+ year olds started in an outfield in baseball history.

And, speaking of Alou, I believe sometime back in the 60's, there was a Giants team where 3 brothers played in the outfield at the same time - Felipe, Jesus, and Matty Alou.

And, even lesser known, was the 4th brother - Boog.

I'll back off now.

Nevadaref Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:42pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Nevada, leave it to you to find the quirky stuff. ;)

Ok, how's this one?

The home run Mark Ellis hit Friday night tied Dave Collins' record of 32 career homers by a player born in South Dakota!

:D

Dan_ref Sun Jul 16, 2006 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Nevada, leave it to you to find the quirky stuff. ;)

I heard another quirky thing happened last night in the Giants/Phillies game. The Giants outfield was Bonds, Finley and Alou, the first time 3 40+ year olds started in an outfield in baseball history.

And, speaking of Alou, I believe sometime back in the 60's, there was a Giants team where 3 brothers played in the outfield at the same time - Felipe, Jesus, and Matty Alou.

And, even lesser known, was the 4th brother - Boog.

I'll back off now.

Speaking of quirky stuff...

http://www.as-seen-on-tv-products-st.../one-sweep.gif

Jurassic Referee Sun Jul 16, 2006 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Red Sox have home field advantage for the World Series again!! Woo-hoo!! :D

Hmmmmmm.....

Methinks you mighta counted your squirrels too quick and left out a few nuts.

Yanks are now half a game back and closing rapidly.

Nevadaref Sun Jul 16, 2006 07:52pm

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Chipper Jones ties record for extra-base hits</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" width="1" height="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>July 16, 2006
SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Atlanta's Chipper Jones hit a two-run homer Sunday to give him an extra-base hit in 14 straight games, tying the big league record set in 1927 by Pittsburgh's Paul Waner.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

JugglingReferee Mon Jul 17, 2006 06:23am

If I mention that the Cubs pooped away a 5 run lead, and game up 11 runs in <i>one inning</i>, including <b>two</b> grand slams and another a 2-banger, will I be the first one to reference that game against the Mets?

Wow. I think the Mgr is Dusty Baker and he was having a fit in the dugout. Are the players trying to get him fired?

M&M Guy Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:25am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
If I mention that the Cubs pooped away a 5 run lead, and game up 11 runs in <i>one inning</i>, including <b>two</b> grand slams and another a 2-banger, will I be the first one to reference that game against the Mets?

Wow. I think the Mgr is Dusty Baker and he was having a fit in the dugout. Are the players trying to get him fired?

http://images.acclaimimages.com/_gal...11-1925_TN.jpg

Yea, yea, I know. It was a record for the most number of runs scored in one inning by any Mets team. Now, both grand slams were hit to the opposite field; one of the pitches was right on the corner, and the other one was 6" outside the strike zone, so I don't entirely blame the pitchers. But there were 2 errors committed by Todd Walker, including dropping a throw at second that could've been a double play in that same inning.

If you take away that one half inning, the Cubs win 7-2.

Selective memory is necessary if you're a Cubs fan.

M&M Guy Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

It was actually kinda fun to see Ozzie grumble a little...

mick Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:08am

Oh, dear!

The champs are coming and they are very unhappy.
Yikes! :eek:
mick

M&M Guy Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:11am

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Originally Posted by mick
Oh, dear!

The champs are coming and they are very unhappy.
Yikes! :eek:
mick

Now's the time to kick 'em while they're down.

ChuckElias Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:20am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Atlanta's Chipper Jones hit a two-run homer Sunday to give him an extra-base hit in 14 straight games, tying the big league record set in 1927 by Pittsburgh's Paul Waner.

I heard that, too. Pretty cool. Unfortunately, all 3 of his hits last night were singles. So he has to be satisfied with sharing the record with a Hall of Famer.

M&M Guy Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:25am

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I heard that, too. Pretty cool. Unfortunately, all 3 of his hits last night were singles. So he has to be satisfied with sharing the record with a Hall of Famer.

It's too bad he didn't set the record last night. There's no other team I would like to see records set against than the Cardinals.

Yea, I'm a bitter ol' Cubs fan. What's it to 'ya?!

Chuck - how was the trip?

Jurassic Referee Tue Jul 18, 2006 01:03pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Chuck - how was the trip?

Had to be a success.....he saw JJ Putz in action.

ChuckElias Tue Jul 18, 2006 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Had to be a success.....he saw JJ Putz in action.

Actually, JJ never made it into the game. But I couldn't resist taking a picture of the announcement that he was warming up.

The trip as a whole was great. Can't say I enjoyed the city of Detroit very much, but the ballpark was beautiful on the outside and very nice inside. Food choices were fairly limited: burgers and hot dogs, sausages, nachos, and chicken fingers. Great view of the field from just about anywhere. Very cool scoreboard. Plus it was "Negro League Celebration" weekend, so the teams wore old-time uniforms.

Toronto was beautiful. The city is awesome. The SkyDome is pretty cool. Not much to look at from the outside, but inside is really cool. The dome actually opened while we were inside. Our seats were on the 3rd base side and when the dome opened, the CN Tower was directly in front of us. Unbelievable view. The video scoreboard is the largest TV in the world, we were told. The upper deck seats have the steepest slope (35%) of any park in the majors (which is hard to believe after sitting way up in Shea). And when we took the ballpark tour on Monday morning, they let us go out on the field in center. Very cool. The food, again, was pretty limited. Pretty much the same as Detroit.

Very successful weekend (except at the casinos in Detroit! :( )

Nevadaref Tue Jul 18, 2006 08:36pm

Chuck,
Welcome back and glad that you had a good trip. :)

Now watch your SportsCenter tonight. They have to tell you when was the last time this happened:

In tonight's game between Washington and Florida each leadoff batter homered, not just sometime during the game, but as the 1st hitter in the first innning! Soriano for Washington and Ramirez for Florida.

ChuckElias Wed Jul 19, 2006 08:48am

According to ESPN.com, the Wash/Fla game is the 28th time in MLB history that each team's lead-off batter hit a HR. They didn't list the last time it happened.

Here are a couple other stories that I thought were kind of interesting.

Quote:

Jose Canseco's All-Star pitching debut proved to be short.

The former major league star retired only one batter Tuesday night while giving up four runs in the first All-Star game in the independent Golden Baseball League.

"I feel great -- as good as ever," Canseco said.

Before his struggles on the mound, Canseco wowed the crowd of 3,111 with some titanic drives to win the home run derby.
This story is interesting to me b/c Canseco made the All-Star team after playing only 10 games in his latest stint in the minors. And now the team says that they are considering using him as a pitcher in regular games. Ridiculous.

A better story, tho, is John "Buck" O'Neil. He's 94 years old and walked twice in the Northern League All-Star Game. He led off the top of the first with an intentional walk and was pulled for a pinch-runner. However, he was then immediately traded and therefore eligible to play for the other team in the All-Star Game. So he also led off the bottom of the first. He was again intentionally walked, but didn't like it and took a swing at one of the pitches. The umpire got caught up in the moment, apparently, b/c it took 5 balls before O'Neil was awarded first base.

Quote:

Clad in a red-and-white Kansas City Monarchs jersey, O'Neil said he thought the last time he had swung a bat in a game was in 1955.

Asked if he remembered who he was facing in that last at-bat, he replied: "I don't remember yesterday, and you ask me who the pitcher was in 1955?"

ChuckElias Wed Jul 19, 2006 03:44pm

Sox win second straight 1-0 game against the Royals. That sounds like good news, but it worries me just a little. Some Putz got the save against the Yankees.

I love day baseball. :)

M&M Guy Wed Jul 19, 2006 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I love day baseball. :)

You're only saying that because that's what's causing all of A-Rod's problems, right?

There's apparently some story in one of the NY papers that is trashing him because he was seen sunbathing with his shirt off in Central Park the afternoon before his 17 errors and 9 strike-outs (or however many there were) against Seattle. At least the 1st base umpire helped out the Yankees that game. (I think I just heard Rocky's head explode.)

Jurassic Referee Wed Jul 19, 2006 05:05pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Yea, I'm a bitter ol' Cubs fan. What's it to 'ya?!

Always glad to cheer you up, M, ol' buddy......

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50033

M&M Guy Wed Jul 19, 2006 05:25pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Always glad to cheer you up, M, ol' buddy......

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50033

:D

There's always good stuff on the Onion.

Oh, yea, btw, before I forget:

Shut up.

mick Wed Jul 19, 2006 09:43pm

The Tigers finally beat the Champs at ...get this, Chuck ... Coamerica Park.:)

mick Thu Jul 20, 2006 03:11pm

Cool.
 
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=black12bold colSpan=10 height=30>Central</TD></TR><TR><TD class=grey12bold> TEAM</TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>W </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>L </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>PCT </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>GB </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>HOME </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>ROAD </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>L-10 </TD><TD class=grey12bold align=right>STREAK </TD></TR><TR><TD class=boxscorefooter> Detroit</TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>64 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>31 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>.674 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>- </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>31-16 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>33-15 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>7-3 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>W-2 </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc colSpan=9 height=1></TD></TR><TR><TD class=boxscorefooter> Chicago White Sox</TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>58 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>36 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>.617 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>5.5 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>33-14 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>25-22 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>3-7 </TD><TD class=boxscorefooter align=right>L-2 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


:)

ChuckElias Thu Jul 20, 2006 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by mick
The Tigers finally beat the Champs

Double yer pleasure, mick!! Two in a row.

Quote:

at ...get this, Chuck ... Co<s>a</s>merica Park.:)
Close enough. ;)

mick Thu Jul 20, 2006 04:51pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Double yer pleasure, mick!! Two in a row.

Close enough. ;)

Dang !

C..o..m..e..r..i..c..a
Thanks. Chuck.

I'm always learning from you experienced veterans.
My next time there will be my first.

ChuckElias Sat Jul 22, 2006 09:05am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
And Chuck, Moyer is flat out fun to watch...

Boy, he sure was fun to watch last night!!

Jurassic Referee Sat Jul 22, 2006 07:45pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Boy, he sure was fun to watch last night!!

And JJ Putz was fun to watch today.

ChuckElias Sat Jul 22, 2006 08:04pm

I don't why they keep throwing Tavares out there. :(

M&M Guy Mon Jul 24, 2006 02:31pm

Yoohoo, JR and Dan:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9568752

What's your take?

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 24, 2006 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
What's your take?

The Chicago Tribune had the same basic story today. Methinks that there's nuthin' much to it. Hell, the guy did win an MVP last year; you don't unload him just for having a bad stretch. The other part of it too is that A-Rod is getting about $27 mil a year for the next 4 years, but Texas is paying around $52 mil total of that. That means the Yanks only have to pay him about 14 mil a year. If they replace A-Rod with a top-flight free agent like Soriano or trade for Abreau, they're still gonna be on the hook for about the same kinda money but they aren't really upgrading their ballclub imo.

The Yanks need pitching, not hitting.

The Cubbies need......:D

M&M Guy Mon Jul 24, 2006 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Yanks need pitching, not hitting.

How about Kerry Wood and/or Mark Prior?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Cubbies need......:D

:p

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 24, 2006 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
How about Kerry Wood and/or Mark Prior?


Yer funny....

How many games do you predict Ozzie will get for yesterday's little fooferoo in Texas? My guess is minimum 5 games- maximum 10 games.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 24, 2006 05:06pm

Well, it ain't <i>beisbol</i>, but I'm gonna post it anyway...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=2528450

Wjen I first read this, I laughed. Then I said to myself "Self...whatinthehell are you laughing at?". That just ain't right. The horse shoulda bitten his damn head off.

ChuckElias Wed Jul 26, 2006 09:25am

Twins have won something like 32 of their last 40 and the Tigers are still 8.5 up on them. Looking pretty good out there, Mick!

mick Wed Jul 26, 2006 07:20pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Twins have won something like 32 of their last 40 and the Tigers are still 8.5 up on them. Looking pretty good out there, Mick!

Chuck,
It's kind of you to notice, but the Twins have invited the Tigers to Minnesota for a bit (3 games 7/28,29,30), after April games of 3 of 3 [Detroit] and May games of 4 of 6 [Detroit].
Back then the Twins (I think) hadn't discovered Liriano [1.93]. And, Santana is still a bad boy [3.04].
It would be cool to see Liriano and Verlander [both rookies] take turns in the same game. :)
mick

Nevadaref Thu Jul 27, 2006 02:47am

How sad is Prior's season? He is throwing a no-hitter and has to be pulled in the 6th because he just isn't in shape to go deep into games at this point.


The match-ups for Detroit @ Minn :

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="20%"> Fri, Jul 28</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap align=left width="20%"> 8:10 pm EDT</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="58%"> Z. Miner vs. F. Liriano</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=3> </TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="20%">Sat, Jul 29</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap align=left width="20%"> 7:10 pm EDT</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="58%"> N. Robertson vs. B. Radke</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=3> </TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="20%"> Sun, Jul 30</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap align=left width="20%"> 2:10 pm EDT</TD><TD class=yspscores noWrap width="58%"> J. Bonderman vs. J. Santana</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

ChuckElias Thu Jul 27, 2006 08:37am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
How sad is Prior's season? He is throwing a no-hitter and has to be pulled in the 6th because he just isn't in shape to go deep into games at this point.

Was it a matter of being in shape, or just a matter of pitch count? I think I heard that he was already over 100 pitches in the 5th. I realize that Dusty doesn't care much about pitch counts, but it seems reasonable to me to take Prior out at that point.

mick Thu Jul 27, 2006 08:48am

Minnesota 34 of last 40
Detroit 30 of last 40

Raymond Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:37pm

Harold Reynolds fired from ESPN
 
a couple of different links:

http://thebiglead.com/?p=714

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/top/w...axe-189733.php

my brother has witnessed first hand HR's fondness for the ladies, so that reputation does hurt his credibility in a case like this.............but like most of what I've read, my brother says Harold Reynolds is a really, really nice guy

Nevadaref Thu Jul 27, 2006 06:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Was it a matter of being in shape, or just a matter of pitch count? I think I heard that he was already over 100 pitches in the 5th. I realize that Dusty doesn't care much about pitch counts, but it seems reasonable to me to take Prior out at that point.

His pitch count was at 103 when he was pulled and that is exactly what I meant by not being in shape. He is just considered too fragile to let him throw 130-140 pitches anymore. Remember back early in his career when Dusty would leave Wood and Prior out there for those kind of numbers? People were saying back then that he was burning out their arms.

ChuckElias Fri Jul 28, 2006 08:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
His pitch count was at 103 when he was pulled and that is exactly what I meant by not being in shape. He is just considered too fragile to let him throw 130-140 pitches anymore.

Isn't just about everybody too "fragile" to throw 140 pitches in one outing?!?! I don't think that reflects at all on whether he's in shape or not. 120 is a high pitch count, 110 is a maximum for a lot of starters. 100 is a safe number, generally. 140 is pretty much considered insane nowadays, I think.

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Remember back early in his career when Dusty would leave Wood and Prior out there for those kind of numbers? People were saying back then that he was burning out their arms.
And they were right. Why do you suppose that those two guys have had serious arm problems every year? One reason is that they were abused in their early years.

M&M Guy Fri Jul 28, 2006 09:25am

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Isn't just about everybody too "fragile" to throw 140 pitches in one outing?!?! I don't think that reflects at all on whether he's in shape or not. 120 is a high pitch count, 110 is a maximum for a lot of starters. 100 is a safe number, generally. 140 is pretty much considered insane nowadays, I think.

And they were right. Why do you suppose that those two guys have had serious arm problems every year? One reason is that they were abused in their early years.

Abused? Maybe I'm just old, but I remember pitchers going the distance regularly. In fact, there was a mention recently on ESPN radio where one of the hosts was recounting an interview he had with Bob Gibson. The host was talking about specialization in the bullpen, and how that wasn't the case back in Gibson's day. The host mentioned that the average pitcher today has about 3-4 complete games a season. And Gibson said to him, "3-4? That would be a <B>bad</B> year for me. I averaged <B>15</B> complete games per season." And in 1968 he had 28. How many pitchers these days have even close to 28 C.G. for their career? My guess is the more players are conditioned to have pitch counts from their Little League days on, the more likely they'll need them later on as well. Plus, I'm sure the number of breaking balls also plays a factor. Besides, how many breaking balls did Gibson throw?

As far as "abusing" Wood and Prior, I'm not really in that camp. It's probably more likely in Wood's case, because almost all of his injuries seem to be pitching-related. But I would have to stick up for Prior; his injuries have not always been pitching-related. This year it was a strained oblique muscle after taking batting practice. Last year he was out after taking a line drive off his elbow. I believe 2 or 3 years ago he was on the DL after trying to jump over the Pirates' second baseman while running the bases.

It's just all part of the soap opera I've had to endure all my life.
(organ music = on) "These are the Days of Our Cubbies" (organ music = off)

mick Fri Jul 28, 2006 04:06pm

Pitch Counts
 
Bruce Sutter talks.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...y-sutter_x.htm

M&M Guy Fri Jul 28, 2006 04:12pm

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Originally Posted by mick

He's a smart guy.

Good timing, eh mick?

ChuckElias Sat Jul 29, 2006 08:00pm

Ouch! Another 19-run game for the Yankees. And against the Devil Rays this time.

Sox win in extras with an opposite field grounder from David Ortiz, beating the shift! Love it!! Love it!!!!!

ChuckElias Sun Jul 30, 2006 07:49am

This morning, SportsCenter said that it was only the 5th start in Randy Johnson's career with zero strikeouts. Ouch.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jul 30, 2006 04:11pm

The Yankees get Abreu and Lidle for.....who?

Kinda like this one.:D

Dan_ref Sun Jul 30, 2006 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Yankees get Abreu and Lidle for.....who?

Kinda like this one.:D

And say bye-bye to your buddy Gary Sheffield.

ChuckElias Sun Jul 30, 2006 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Yankees get Abreu and Lidle for.....who?

Kinda like this one.:D

Gotta admit, it makes them look better. I don't really know much about Lidle. What I do know about him doesn't make him seem all that impressive. But I guess they can use all the help they can get on the pitching staff.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jul 30, 2006 06:19pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
But I guess they can use all the help they can get on the pitching staff.

Could be they aren't done yet either. Trading deadline ain't over yet.

ChuckElias Sun Jul 30, 2006 07:26pm

Mets sweep in Atlanta (3 or more games) for the first time since '85. Cubs sweep Cards (4 games) for first time since '72. Wow.

tjones1 Mon Jul 31, 2006 07:19am

I think I heard someone say Abreu is set to get $15 million next year......not that it matters to the Yankees.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 31, 2006 07:33am

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Originally Posted by tjones1
I think I heard someone say Abreu is set to get $15 million next year......not that it matters to the Yankees.

Yup, Abreu has a contract for $15 mil next year. Gary Sheffield is in the last guaranteed year of his contract though, and the Yanks have an option on him next year for $13 mil. Both play right field. If they let Sheffield walk, the difference is only $2 mil, plus a $2 mil buy-out of Sheffield's contact. Iow, it's really only costing the Yankees $4 mil from standing pat for next year to getting Abreu- if they do get rid of Sheffield.

The Yanks can also bring Sheffield back as a DH too next year and maybe see if he can play a little 1B. Giambi should be a full time DH. He sucks at 1B. Terrible defensively.

M&M Guy Mon Jul 31, 2006 03:51pm

Maddux gets traded to the Dodgers for a shortstop recovering from an injury?

<font size = -2>...grumble...grumble...</font size>

It's enough to make a Cub fan want to commit Harry Carey.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jul 31, 2006 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Maddux gets traded to the Dodgers for a shortstop recovering from an injury?

<font size = -2>...grumble...grumble...</font size>

It's enough to make a Cub fan want to commit Harry Carey.

Look at the bright side......

Wait a minute.......:confused:

M&M Guy Mon Jul 31, 2006 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Look at the bright side......

Wait a minute.......:confused:

Exactly.

The only good thing about today is I got to walk around with a wisk broom in my shirt pocket. I didn't have to say a word to any of the Cardinal fans in the office; they knew exactly what it represented. First time since 1972 have the Cubs swept the Cards in a 4-game series.

"Is that a broom in your pocket, or are you just happy to see the Cardinals lose?"

Raymond Mon Jul 31, 2006 09:36pm

amazing
 
I'm not much into baseball. I got my satisfaction when I was 16 years old watching Tim McGraw's daddy finishing off the Royals in October 1980 and my last hearbreak watching Joe Carter skip around the bases in 1993.

But Big Papi is ridiculous. He makes you sit and watch, just like I would watch Barry Sanders or Randy Moss in football. And he's clutch like MJ or Kobe in basketball.

Oh well, that will be my one baseball comment for the season. 38 days until Miami @ Pittsburgh.

ChuckElias Mon Jul 31, 2006 09:50pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
But Big Papi is ridiculous.

You beat me here! (I was talking to BITS at the time.)

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38 days until Miami @ Pittsburgh.
Are you ready for my boy, Tony Kornheiser, on MNF this season?!?!

JugglingReferee Tue Aug 01, 2006 03:14am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
...and my last hearbreak watching Joe Carter skip around the bases in 1993.

"Touch 'em all, Joe." Ah yes, the glory time for the Jays.

93 was fun cuz the Jays won the WS and the Habs won the SC.

Jurassic Referee Tue Aug 01, 2006 05:43am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
But Big Papi is ridiculous. He makes you sit and watch, just like I would watch Barry Sanders or Randy Moss in football. And he's clutch like MJ or Kobe in basketball.

MVP if he keeps it up. Biggest bargain in <i>beisbol</i>.

Raymond Tue Aug 01, 2006 08:47am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
"Touch 'em all, Joe." Ah yes, the glory time for the Jays.

93 was fun cuz the Jays won the WS and the Habs won the SC.

Yeah, but who was MVP of the Grey Cup.
:p :p

Plus you guys still have to claim "that idiot kicker" Vanderjagt as yours :mad:

Nevadaref Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:16pm

Doubly bad news for the Red Sox today:
1. Varitek out 4-6 weeks with cartilage damage in his knee.

2. Cleveland 6, Boston 3; NYY 5, Toronto 1

AL EAST Standings:
1. NYY 62 - 41 .602
2. Boston 63 - 42 .600

M&M Guy Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:45am

Hey, JR, just thought I'd post this before you did:

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamece...060802_ARI@CHC

And the sun continues to rise in the east, and that bear continues to, well, you know...

ChuckElias Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:30pm

Sox pull out another 9th-inning walk-off win. That makes two in the last three games against the Indians. And both off the same kid, Fausto Carmona. As happy as I am for the wins, I feel bad for this kid. He wasn't really trained as a "closer", and now has 2 blown saves in 3 days. That has to hurt the confidence. (Although a big part of me says that a major league pitcher should be able to get his first 3 guys out.)

Last night's was even worse than the first one. You give up a HR to Ortiz. . . Hey, he's beaten better guys than Carmona. But last night, he got the first 2 outs with K's. Then got 2 strikes on the next guy. . . then plunked him!! Then on the NEXT pitch, plunks the NEXT batter! Then walks another guy to load the bases. Then Loretta did his thing.

Since trading away their primary closer (Wickman) at the deadline last week, the Indians don't have a single pitcher on staff who has recorded a save this season. http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NAS...it&timeFrame=1

Jurassic Referee Thu Aug 03, 2006 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Hey, JR, just thought I'd post this before you did:

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamece...060802_ARI@CHC

And the sun continues to rise in the east, and that bear continues to, well, you know...

And can Prior be far behind?:D

M&M Guy Thu Aug 03, 2006 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
And can Prior be far behind?:D

I ain't lookin'.

http://www.fotosearch.com/thumb/IGS/.../IS665-022.jpg

mick Fri Aug 04, 2006 06:32am

YU.P., it's about the manager.
 
Leyland is a Master.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...34/1004/SPORTS

mick Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:19pm

Tar Heel signed.
 
DETROIT — The Detroit Tigers made pitching news on Friday, announcing that rookie star Justin Verlander will skip his Sunday start and that they've signed first-round draft pick Andrew Miller.

...Miller, who signed a four-year contract, finished 13-2 with a 2.48 ERA in 20 games at North Carolina this season. The lefthander won the Roger Clemens Award as college baseball's top pitcher and was named player of the year by Baseball America and pitcher of the year in the Atlantic Coast Conference.The 6-foot-6, 210-pound junior is North Carolina's all-time strikeout leader with 325. As a freshman and sophomore, Miller was 14-7 and earned second-team All-ACC honors each season.


Andrew Miller wasn't taken first because he was considered to be expecting too much money.

Jurassic Referee Sat Aug 05, 2006 02:24am

[QUOTE=mick]DETROIT — The Detroit Tigers made pitching news on Friday, announcing that rookie star Justin Verlander[I] will skip his Sunday start


It's gotta be a concern for all of the Tiger's young pitchers. None of them have really pitched close to the 200 or so innings per year that are expected of MLB pitchers. Gotta watch those young arms.

They just keep winning anyway though, don't they?

ChuckElias Sat Aug 05, 2006 08:12am

Hey, I just noticed that the rating for this thread is up to 4 stars. Excellent. Who voted? If you haven't rated it yet, you should; but you should go back few pages and check out the World Cup Beauties that Tony posted for us. That should earn a 5-star rating from any of the guys here!! :D

tjones1 Sat Aug 05, 2006 06:28pm

How about them Cardinals.......:mad:

mick Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:01pm

Walk-off Homer by Pudge. :)

Jurassic Referee Sun Aug 06, 2006 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Sox pull out another 9th-inning walk-off win.

What goes around, comes around.

Yankees' magic number is now 52.

ChuckElias Sun Aug 06, 2006 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally Posted by me
Sox pull out another 9th-inning walk-off win.

What goes around, comes around.

Yeah, but against the freakin' Devil Rays? Jeez. Tavarez is useless, honestly. I know Papelbon blew the save, but that's only his 4th in about 30 tries. Tavarez seems to implode every other outing.

mick Sun Aug 06, 2006 09:15pm

[quote=ChuckElias][quote=Jurassic Referee]
What goes around, comes around.
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Yeah, but against the freakin' Devil Rays? Jeez. Tavarez is useless, honestly. I know Papelbon blew the save, but that's only his 4th in about 30 tries. Tavarez seems to implode every other outing.
Hmmmm.
I don't remember whining when Tampa Bay took 2 of 4 a coupla days ago.
http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/conf44.gif
mick

Jurassic Referee Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:52pm

[QUOTE=mick]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whiny Little BoSox Crybaby Fanboy
Waaa, waaa, waaa......

Hmmmm.
I don't remember whining when Tampa Bay took 2 of 4 a coupla days ago.
http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/conf44.gif
mick

Yup, Mick, you didn't whine when the Tigers were losing a hundred games a year either. Man, they're on a season-long roll, and it doesn't look like it's ending either. As long as the kids keep pitching, they sure ain't gonna go away.

ChuckElias Mon Aug 07, 2006 08:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
I don't remember whining when Tampa Bay took 2 of 4 a coupla days ago.

I'm not whining about losing to the Devil Rays so much. I'm not happy about it, but it happens. I'm just tired of seeing Tavarez blow games.

M&M Guy Mon Aug 07, 2006 08:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I'm not whining about losing to the Devil Rays so much. I'm not happy about it, but it happens. I'm just tired of seeing Tavarez blow games.

Hmm...the Cubs made a <B>good</B> personnel decision? ;)

Dan_ref Mon Aug 07, 2006 09:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Yeah, but against the freakin' Devil Rays? Jeez. Tavarez is useless, honestly. I know Papelbon blew the save, but that's only his 4th in about 30 tries. Tavarez seems to implode every other outing.

Uh-oh.

Getting a little testy up there in Red Sox country, aren't we? Afraid the home team's gonna be collapsing like a big-dig tunnel?

mick Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:48am

Another week of trouble.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I'm not whining about losing to the Devil Rays so much. I'm not happy about it, but it happens. I'm just tired of seeing Tavarez blow games.

Chuck,
Well, not to worry. After a sizzling Minnesota visits Detroit, and after the Tigers visit an unhappy Chicago, your team, after playing Kansas City and Baltimore, will get to host a tired Detroit team and have enough advantages to get you outa that funk.

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 7 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">Minnesota </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 8 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">Minnesota </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 9 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">Minnesota </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 11 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Chicago White Sox
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">8:35 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 12 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Chicago White Sox
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">1:20 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 13 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Chicago White Sox
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">2:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 14 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Boston
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 15 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Boston
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR><TR><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="15%">Aug. 16 </TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="40%">at Boston
</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fcebe2" width="30%">7:05 p.m. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

ChuckElias Wed Aug 09, 2006 09:22am

Hey DJ, Sexton finally comes to life, huh? Nice win in extras over the Rays. That's something the Sox couldn't seem to manage last week.

ChuckElias Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:34am

I know this is the off-topic baseball thread, but we talked about soccer, so what the heck to you think of the new shirts the NFL officials are wearing? :eek:


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