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canuckrefguy Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:14am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
And don't even get me to lying about who the short, chubby white guy is who always seems to be tossing the open jump, is it Higgins or Burr. I really didn't know until this post-season and will probably forget by the time next season starts.

That'd be Burr....

JRutledge Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:51am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
I guess when you're black and you're name is Jrutledge, everything is a racial issue to you. Of course, he pointed that out much better about 2 posts back covering 3 paragraphs.

Ask the people in Durham, North Carolina how they feel about racial issues right now. ;)

Peace

tomegun Tue Apr 04, 2006 05:54am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Does anyone know if Hightower and Valentine are friends, acquaitences, or mere colleagues?

Oh wait, I think I may have asked this one already. tomegun??? :cool:

Ask Teddy that question and you'd better not be in a hurry! I think Teddy might be right in this instance.

One thing - besides being pretty entertaining - I like about Teddy is he is NOT a safe ref. He could get down on one knee to talk to a coach, whack a coach quickly or anything in between; he is willing to do whatever he feels the situation needs. What is even more impressive, to me, is the fact that he has no job to go to at the end of the season. Since this is his job, it could be understandable for him to take a safer approach; we know some officials are safe and they have a "day job." That being said, I don't know what was going through Hightower's mind on the night in question. From what I remember it didn't look too good for the crew and I can understand why Teddy would be pissed.

biz Tue Apr 04, 2006 08:10am

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Originally Posted by tomegun
Ask Teddy that question and you'd better not be in a hurry! I think Teddy might be right in this instance.

One thing - besides being pretty entertaining - I like about Teddy is he is NOT a safe ref. He could get down on one knee to talk to a coach, whack a coach quickly or anything in between; he is willing to do whatever he feels the situation needs. What is even more impressive, to me, is the fact that he has no job to go to at the end of the season. Since this is his job, it could be understandable for him to take a safer approach; we know some officials are safe and they have a "day job." That being said, I don't know what was going through Hightower's mind on the night in question. From what I remember it didn't look too good for the crew and I can understand why Teddy would be pissed.

I've gained a greater amount of appreciation for the game Teddy V calls as I've gotten more experience myself. In the same respect I've become more frustrated watching Hightower the more I ref.

Am I the only one yelling at the screen when Ed as the T is deeper than the C? It seems like he does this in order to get an angle on the ball when it's across the court from him:confused: . I counted at least three times in the National SF when he got caught doing this and the play went the other way with him trailing the play by more than 20 ft.

Just goes to show..."Do what I say, not what I do."

btw for clarification for all:
Ted Valentine = Big A$$ Ed Hightower = Bad Rug

Raymond Tue Apr 04, 2006 09:00am

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Originally Posted by biz

Am I the only one yelling at the screen when Ed as the T is deeper than the C? It seems like he does this in order to get an angle on the ball when it's across the court from him:confused: . I counted at least three times in the National SF when he got caught doing this and the play went the other way with him trailing the play by more than 20 ft.

Biz, can you explain this one...I'm not visualizing what you are saying here. Thanks

tomegun Tue Apr 04, 2006 09:04am

I actually don't think he means deep; I think he meant he is coming down too low.

jbduke Tue Apr 04, 2006 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I think you just made it for him. ;)


I don't think the point was made for him, or anybody else, Chuck. Rut's issue is valid. A better comparison would be between two SEC officials, JB Caldwell, and Doug Sirmons. JB is a really big guy, Doug is of average build. I dare say that no one who knows who these two guys are is going to mix them up.

But take the present situation. Ted Valentine and Ed Hightower are not any more similar in build and facial resemblance than Caldwell and Sirmons are. The only thing that they have physically in common is their skin color. I don't know why it's so hard for some people to understand that it's very offensive to members of minority groups when we whities can't distinguish between people who look nothing alike. It's offensive because the message it sends is, "the only characteristic of yours that I pay significant attention to is your skin color." Certainly, I don't think that there are many people who mean it to come across that way, but that's the message. And until those that do have to work a little harder to distinguish between individuals begin to put in that extra effort, these problems will persist: people will continue to mistitle threads and misattribute egregious officiating mistakes, and people like Rut and me will continue to think that it sucks.

26 Year Gap Tue Apr 04, 2006 05:27pm

I do not know the college officials very well at all. This is probably the first season that I have paid any attention to the names of those working in the tournament. However, watching the games on television do not really give you much to go on. By that I mean, how often are there close ups of the officials? Most of the views you get are views of the entire halfcourt. Most of the closeups are on the players [as they should be]. So unless you know who the officials are on sight, it is going to be very easy to confuse who is who out there. Most of my observations until I get to know these guys on sight will be in reference to 'the bald guy' ,'the heavy guy', 'the skinny guy', 'the gray haired guy', etc. Until basketball goes the football route with R, U, U1 & U2 on the back [and I hope it never happens], there will be confusion as to who is who out there. "You can't tell the players without a scorecard" didn't become a catchphrase for nothing.

Brad Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:49pm

Let's get back to officiating please... thanks!


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