The case book doesn't address this sit. that I can find. However, as ya'll point out, the emphasis on control is clear as far as whether a dribble is a dribble.

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Now I have another question. Why do you suppose we have a POE on palming? Do you think it could be that officials have been reluctant to call it do the judgment factor? Did he really end the dribble? Or is he good enough of a ball handler to change direction or step past the defender without a carry?

Maybe it's better to err on the side of a no call? Is that how this has evolved into a POE? Is it really better to not call something unless it is blatant?

I'm saying that sometimes my judgment on whether the player gained an advantage by either tipping or batting and then gathering with two hands is a double dribble can be a good call.

A palming call when the dribbler carries the ball past his defender is a good call. Why pass? Why doubt?

Is an error of omission really better that an error of commission?

By the way, thanks DRIBBLE for responding to the dribble question.
Apropos.

How did we go from your original play to the POE for palming? :confused:

One has nothing to do with the other.

Are the new Fed rules out? which POE?
Anyway, I have been told that palming is causing the ball to come to rest and that this happens more frequently with athletic moves today which are designed to freeze the defender. So maybe a POE is used to help ensure that we are not interpreting palming as simply 'carrying' by taking the hand under the ball, but rather by determining if the ball comes to rest.

Palming is carrying.

Carrying is palming.