2006 Proposed Rule Revisions
 

Got a copy of what the rules committee is considering at their meeting. Thought I'd share a few and get some feedback from the forum.

1. 28 ft coaching box
2. permitting gray shirt for officials
3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters
4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd
5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey
6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling
7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul
8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods
9. play in halves instead of quarters
10. entend the game length to 36 minutes
11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
13. change from a held ball to an OOB violation on the thrower when the thrower holds the ball across the boundary plane and a defender grasps it simultaneously with the thrower
14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.)
15. allow a shot clock by state adoption
16. courtside replay for state championship games
17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types.
18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring
19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff)
20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul.


You can be favor, don't favor, or neutral on these items.

So, is zero even or odd? Don't tell me it's metric! :p

I really like some of these ideas. In paticular 20, 17, 7, and 5. However numbers 18 and 4 have me scratching my head saying WTF!?!

I do not like these suggestions. Once again, just my opinion.

Peace

The proposal stated that zero and double zero would be considered even.

who the hell cares!!!!! Don't they have better things to spend time on?

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8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
15. allow a shot clock by state adoption
16. courtside replay for state championship games

Absolutely! These four make perfect sense.

No.

This rule would require officials to be on the court prior to the 15 minute mark.

Leave it where it is.

One change that should be made at the HS level: 20 seconds to replace a DQ'ed player.

One change that will happen IMO is team control on the throw in.

Nice find, Nevada.

Are you kidding?
 

I don't mean to offend anyone, so if I do, I'm sorry in advance, but these are the most useless bunch of rules to consider changing.

Here is one for you, just off the top of my head. A1 is fouled by B1, in non-shooting situation, A is in the bonus but scorer fails to notify official. A is awarded the ball, inbounds ball and scores a 3 pointer. By rule this is now the first dead ball, we should stop play and award A1 his/her bonus throws. Now you have a 5 point swing because the scorer made a mistake. That's just dumb. I say nullify it if A team scores on the same possession.

The majority of these rules just don't seem that important to me.

Maybe 11 and 16 (where available) are worth looking at.

Maybe there is significance in 4 if it's truly for the color blind, but it is a financially costly change to make for the schools, and that means 2 sets for each team. I think they can distinguish as things are, although I'm not color blind so I don't know. Anyone color blind that can enlighten me on how difficult it is?

What is meant by "Lag time" in 12. Is that the 1 second reaction time for the timer?

Here's the full text since this one has generated some questions:

The home team shall wear even numerals (which includes 0 and 00) and the visiting team shall wear odd numerals. Rationale: When there are two players wearing the same numerals on the court at the same time, it increases the changes [sic] of recording the wrong player with a foul violation at the time of the foul call. In the excitement of fast-moving game, such a mistake can occur with the presence of duplicate numerals. A change to an even-odd system of numerals may require more than one calendar year to set up, but once in place, it would aid officials and scorers and thus benefit the players and the game.

Submitted by: Pennsylvania (Werner)

I'm color-blind, but this is, to be nice, an unnecessary rule for High School. Now, in Rec Leagues where one team wear dark red and the other wears black, that would be a great rule.

11, 12 yes, please!

15 maybe.

The rest are more trouble than they are worth, especially anything that has to do with the table. It's tough enough now to have God only knows who doing the table, especially for sub-varsity. Trying to stop at the right time in the last minute when a shot is made (huh? says table person) would be more than a lot of table people could handle.

I could list 10 schools in my area that could not afford separate sets of jerseys for #4, why make life more difficult for them than it already is?

Longer game? Why?

20 -- absolutely not. I know I'm the only person in the country who feels this way, but I think there should be separate signals for PC and TC fouls.

I agree with Dan about team control on the throw-in.

I would agree you would be the only person that I have ever heard of that feels that way. There is no reason for two difference signals when the result in both is exactly the same. All other levels use the same signal (which is where many of our rules filter down from anyway) for the most part.

The second part should have been done when the rule was put in place. It would only make sense.

Peace

I left these two out earlier because I deemed the first one trivial and the second innane, but since people seem to be enjoying bashing the proposed changes so much I'm adding them now.

1. Submitted by South Dakota (Ruth Rehn - State Office)
Wristbands must be worn at the base of the thumb and can extend no more than three inches onto the wrist. (Rationale: A wristband must be worn as intended. Wearing them off the wrist is a distraction and draws attention to the individual. (A similar proposal was submitted by Iowa (Barr - State Office)

2. Submitted by North Dakota (Carlsrud - State Office)
Delete: 3-4-15: A team jersey designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt...
Rationale: Coaches and players don't like the rule, players break the rule, coaches don't enforce the rule, coaches chastise officials who enforce the rule and it is not being enforced at the NCAA level where kids see it on television. It doesn't seem fair that we continue "dumping" rules on officials causing them to stand with little support. If schools don't care how their uniforms look, why should the officials?


:rolleyes: :eek: :( :mad: :confused:
Pick your smilie.

There are a couple solid suggestions here and a couple really hairbrained ones IMO. #4 could be the dumbest rule suggestion I've ever heard for reasons I won't get into. #s 8, 12 and 17 simply make sense and we should adopt them. I don't like 6, 11, 13 or 19.

The one I want to support but will take some flack for it is #1. In California, we allow a coaches box, but it is so small that it becomes hard to enforce. It has led to a mentality that "As long as he's coaching, he can wander a bit." Additionally, because the box is so small it forces officials to be more attentive to enforce it, and doing so can lead to the impression of being overly officious (in other words, marking with tape and reminding the coach to stay there) and can lead to a needlessly contentious relationship between coaches and officials. I think expanding the coaches box will allow coaches to better coach their players and it will lead to better communication with us. The one caveat is that I think the coach's box priviledges should only be extended to HCs at the varsity level. Varsity coaches deserve that consideration because the expectation is that they're more experienced and can make responsible use of the box, and that varsity officials have the communication skills to better manage the bench. At the subvarsity level, I don't see a need for any coach's box. In short, I think an expanded coaches box will be like the tableside mechanic and facilitate better communication between officials and coaches and allow both of us to better do our jobs.

I was fortunate enough to be asked for an opinion on these by a member of the rules committee. He sent me the full list and asked me to vote on each. Not that my vote is final or anything like that, obviously, but he's taking the opinions of fellow officials into consideration before going to the meeting for the official vote. Here are the ones that I voted "YES" on.

I think you mean harebrained. . .?

#4 is too expensive, unless grandfathered. (Taking potshots at an unofficial list of submissions for proposals is easy and maybe pointless - but this won't be the last possibly pointless thing I do today. )

I'd support:


1. 28 ft coaching box
7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul
11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff)

I'm neutral on:

2. permitting gray shirt for officials
5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey
16. courtside replay for state championship games
20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul.

I'd be against the rest.

Is anyone summarizing these votes?

1. they already use most of the 28 ft anyways, we should go ahead and adopt this one...

2.gray shirts may be a nice change and put money in someone elses pocket too.. :)

6.this would make a fun end of the game if you have a good guard that could dribble, but if we go to shot clocks i would be all for no cg while dribbling

8.i think they should leave this in the college level...let the clock run

9.would love halves, coaches don't from what i hear around here in ky...

10. GAME IS LONG ENOUGH...LEAVE TIME ALONE 16 MINUTE HALVES IS GREAT

11. Would probably make it better so you don't have to look over your shoulder and take your eyes of the play, to make sure the coach is yelling time out...if the player don't ask, they don't get it...love it!!

14. pretty much do this anyways, does anyone call the CG when the defense is running behind the offense????? never seen it

15. would be pretty nice to see the shot clock, would make things even quicker than they are now

16. DEFINITELY needed...hate to see a team lose a game on a close call that could be changed and made right if they can look at the replay...

18. asking for trouble on this one.... no dunking should be allowed.. to many injuries possible, broken rims and backboards, etc....

19. if they give them a 28ft box....if they get out of it, they should be blasted "t".....no warnings..

I'm in favor of the following. In places where I'm conditionally in favor, I'll make comments:

1. 28 ft coaching box
2. permitting gray shirt for officials
7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul
9. play in halves instead of quarters
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
15. allow a shot clock by state adoption
16. courtside replay for state championship games
17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types.
18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring I'd actually be OK with this if they took the responsibility away from the officials in enforcing this -- I'd rather go to college women's mechanics -- come out early, have captain's meeting, check the book, go back to the locker room until 3 minutes left -- and this one will never happen, IMO
19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff)How about not worrying about the coach being out of the box when he/she is just coaching? Too much worrying about the coaching box -- just make it 28 feet and stop worrying so much about it. WHO CARES?
20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul.I'd prefer the NCAAW punch myself, but a specific signal, even the PC signal, would be good.

Hairebrained ?

Hey Mick, that thudding sound you hear? That's Tony coming after you! Better run...

None of those rule changes seem "significant" to me...several of them are simply copying what the NCAA already does, and I thought the NFHS wanted to distinguish themselves from the NCAA...

some good some bad some ugly
 

I like the following:

1: 28 ft box..let them roam, and penalize them accordingly for unsporting behavior...I have always thought this was a good idea
7: make team control fouls available during a throw in, just seems logical to me
12: eliminating lag time, seems silly to me to have to allow a second in lag time, if there was definite knowledge...it could be important later
17: assessing one delay, simplifies things
19: coaches box stuff...again, if it is unsporting whack em, don't use the line on the floor to enforce it...
20: I would be in favor of the punch out for both

I am also in favor of the sweatbands/headbands being worn correctly...it goes along with wearing the uniform correctly

I am neutral on the following
2: gray shirts
4: odd/even....when I played our homes were even aways were odd
5: sweatbands/headbands same color as jersey
9: halves instead of quarters
13: held ball on throw in
14: terminating closely guarded....it seems we already do..
15: shot clock
16: courtside replay


I am absolutely against
3: 15 minute mark
6: eliminate closely guarded when dribbling
8: stopping clock in last minute, at the high school level and lower, we don't have good enough clock operators..
10: extending the game
11: I still don't see the problem with the coach requesting a TO
18: allow pregame dunking??? are you kidding me....

allowing the uniform to be worn however a team sees fit....oh nooooooooo

I like the idea of using grey jerseys because in theory I would think that the sight of the zebra stripes automatically puts negative thoughts in people's minds. Has anyone that is using grey see any difference? We are supposed to blend into the game but we wear these bright white & black striped shirts.

All these changes should be in a poll but I don't know how that would work because you can only put a max 10 options. I guess for some of the more controversial ones there could be a poll.

Let's have a poll on whether we should have a poll.

Re #17.
 

I think the delay of game warnings should stay as is, one warning for each. Reason being, I think, especially for the lower levels, the warning is more of an educational tool. Example, a lot of the smaller kids, don't even realize they are breaking a rule, like "breaking the plane" etc. Just a thought.

1. 28 ft coaching box - I heard that this just barley missed passing last year. We have a 6ft box in Texas which I think is a little too small. I think 28ft. is too big. Maybe 14ft?

2. permitting gray shirt for officials - Several states already do it so we might as well make it legal. Maybe they'd start letting us wear them in Texas :)

3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters - I've never had the book filled out by the 10min mark. 15min is too early for HS.

4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd - I think this is going to cause more problems then it's going to help. Some teams just bought (or are buying) new jerseys to comply with the home wears "white not light" rule. Now there going to have to replace all there jerseys again? This is going to get real expensive and I don't think there's really much benefit.

6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling - Not unless we get a shot clock. We shouldn't penalize good defense. IMHO closely guarded should be called more not less.

7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul - Might make thinks less confusing. Would we still not change the arrow?

8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods - Would make close games more exciting but you'd have to have a clock operator who's on there toes (esp. since we don't have the benefit of replay like the NCAA/NBA)

9. play in halves instead of quarters - Why? Are we going to give teams additional timeouts for the two "free" fulls they lose because of this?

10. entend the game length to 36 minutes - NO!

11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only - Having had problems before with coaches very upset I couldn't hear them in a loud gym at the end of the game this would really help.

12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time YES! If I know .9 seconds came off the clock there is no logical reason I shouldn't be able to put them back on!

14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.) - Isn't this the way it's already called? This is how I understand the current rule. Maybe I'm missing something.

15. allow a shot clock by state adoption - Several states do it so we might as well make it legal.

16. court side replay for state championship games - If it's there we should be able to use it. I've had veteran officials tell me that if they had a buzzer beater that decided the state championship and there was any question, they would check a replay regardless of what the rule book said (I'm assuming they'd get UiL approval first).

18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring - Bad idea!

19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff) - This is how we're told to call it in Texas, although, I'm not sure it's actually a written rule.

20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul. This was a state exception in Texas this year. I'd rather get the NCAAW/NBA "punch" but that's just me.

[QUOTE=Nevadaref]
1. 28 ft coaching box - Fine
2. permitting gray shirt for officials - No big deal one way or the other
3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters - Why?
4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd - Just adds more expenses to the schools, and they just bought new uni's to be sure the home jerseys are white/light in color
5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey Fine
6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling - NO
7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul - This should have been done last year
8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods - lack of qualified (non-partisan) timers
9. play in halves instead of quarters - Yes
10. entend the game length to 36 minutes - Yes
11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only - I love it when a coach calls TO as his player shoots, "Tweet, time out white, no basket"
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time - Yes
13. change from a held ball to an OOB violation on the thrower when the thrower holds the ball across the boundary plane and a defender grasps it simultaneously with the thrower - Who cares?
14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.) - See def. of guarding
15. allow a shot clock by state adoption - Doesn't matter to me
16. courtside replay for state championship games - Maybe expand this to all state tournament games
17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types. - Yes
18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring - If you can dunk, DUNK!
19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff) - Fine by me
20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul. - Just use the NCAAW 'punch' signal, this is pretty well used, accepted, and understood already

I had heard there might be a change in penalty for delay in returning to the court to a violation rather than a technical, but maybe this one is not on the list of submissions. [To make it the same as leaving the court]

Already covered under the current rule: 4-47-2 equates the delay produced by a team huddle with the delay produced through contact with the FT shooter. I've been told to reasonably ignore both because the end of the rule says as in 10-1-5c, which is under the heading "allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:"... then contact with the shooter and huddling are mentioned. In other words, don't penalize the opportunity for a little 'team spirit', but only penalize it if the delay is considerable.

It is NOT on the list.

Needless meddling:
2. permitting gray shirt for officials. Gives those that need something to make them look different a way to do so by moving to gray before the others do.
3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters What problem could this solve?
4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd. Not really a financial problem if put at a future date but not necessary.
5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey what problem would it solve? I've never been confused by a headband color.
8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods Too likely to be messed up by timers.
9. play in halves instead of quarters Why? OK, but Why?
10. entend the game length to 36 minutes How would it improve the game?
13. change from a held ball to an OOB violation on the thrower when the thrower holds the ball across the boundary plane and a defender grasps it simultaneously with the thrower
14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.) Already the rule.
16. courtside replay for state championship games can-o-worms
17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types. As rare as they are, why?
18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring How could this improve the game?
19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff)

Good idea:
1. 28 ft coaching box provided that the coach is coaching ;)
7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul Should have been that way already.
11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only but add that the coach could only request the timeout during a dead ball with the clock stopped.
12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul.


OK with caveats6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling Only if a shot clock were added. Don't want to see the game deteriorate from a team game to a single player putting on a dribbling exhibition.
15. allow a shot clock by state adoption Make the clock long enough to not rush too many teams...maybe 45-60 seconds.

Oddly enough, some fans find this entertaining. If you watch warmups before the crew comes out, many players are putting on a show anyway.

In addition, if it is legal to dunk during a game, the players should be able to practice this during warmups.

Dunking is not unsportsmanlike conduct. The actions accompanying this might be. Punish those actions.

BTW, I don't support this or oppose it. Just playing devil's advocate.

Well, iirc the rationale used by the FED when they initiated this rule was to guard against possible equipment damage. The rule was initiated back in the days of the fixed rims. Breakaway rims did take away a lot of the "equipment damage" concerns also. So....I guess that you can say "hmmmmmm".

Of course, I did have a backboard go on a pre-game dunk once too.......just as we were walking onto the court.

As many of you already know, in MN we went abandoned the quarter system in favor of halves this past season. In addition we went with a 36 minute game. The official reasons for this were as such:

1. Halves added more strategy by eliminating the quarter break.
2. Halves created a better flow by eliminating the quarter break.
3. By lengthening the game to 36 minutes and not adding additional timeouts, it created a need for more substituting, thus ensuring more players would have an opportunity to participate.
4. The coaches in MN supported this move.

After doing it for a season (only at the varsity level...all under varsity games were 2 halves of 16 minutes each), I must admit that I like it. The games seemed to go more quickly and it seemed like the coaches actually ended up using less timeouts than before. I don't know if it created additional playing opportunities for bench players, but it change the complexion of the game in subtle ways that didn't seem intrusive.

I'm all for making this NFHS policy, but I can also understand reluctance to ensorse this measure. To me, it makes sense because if a player goes on to college ball he/she will be playing in this system anyway, and its not as drastic of a jump to go from 36 minutes to 40 minutes in a game as it is to go from 32 minutes to 40 minutes.

Just my two cents worth.

Dave

thanks Dave
 

thanks for the info. With this in mind I wouldn't be against making it the new policy. Now what will we do with those unused 3's and 4's on all the scoreboards in these gyms :D

I liked the 18 min halves this past season in MN as well. Although most games had a decent and continuous flow to them, there was the one or two games where I looked up and we were in the bonus with 10 minutes left (but maybe that's my own fault:) )

MN also adopted the courtside replays during the televised games of the state tournaments this year...and it was used in the girls tourney to put time back on at the end of the game. The only "reviewable situations" were to count or cancel a basket near the of each half, and to add time to the clock "near the end of the game")

One reason I am not sure the team control situation should be present on an OOB throw-in is that the penalty for fouling in this situation is different for each team and IMO it should not be. And unless they change the definition of team control, I do not favor this change.

It would make the NF in line with the NCAA where the rule basically came from. It was kind of silly to take one aspect of the rule and make an exception for another. I think the application of this rule is silly without the purposed part included.

Peace

A grain of salt.....
 

14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.)

Mr. Dick, if you didn't know, had our captain's meeting include a coin toss for the opening possession of the game during the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons (7th grade-Varsity). The initial possession arrow was pointed towards the loser of the coin toss. I thought there should have been a choice to "defer" if you won the toss and preferred to play defense first. If the jumper doesn't have to jump, why did the winner of the coin toss have to take the ball? However, the Iowa Girls' Union did start with the jump ball this season.

Ever wonder why we were the last state to switch from 6-on-6? :confused:

Because Mr. Dick is aptly named? :)

Couldn't help myself....bad JR.....bad,bad JR.....

Welcome to the forum.

Interesting - these rules are already implemented by FIBA - so I obviously whole-heartedlt support them :)

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]Because Mr. Dick is aptly named? :)

Thank you. Now I don't have to say it. ;)

off topic
 

Glad you are smiling Duane.
That typhoon didn't hurt you?
I was thinking about you....
mick

Off topic....
 

Thanks Mick, but no I am a fair bit south of where it hit. Tweed Heads is about 1300kms south of Townsville which copped the brunt of the hurricane. But we are getting the associated stormy weather - which made for a VERY wet ride into work on my motorbike this morning.

Thanks for your concern!

1. 28 ft coaching box
I think so, this will allow head coaches to talk to any of their players on the bench.

2. permitting gray shirt for officials
Neutral, but I do like seeing the gray shirts on our Junior College-M officials

3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters
We have referees that won't enforce the current level on Varsity and above - So I say "heck no"

4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd
I don't like this either.

5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey
Neutral

6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling
Very bad idea. If I was coaching MS, I could have a ball (no-pun intended) stalling against the better teams in our league simply by dribbling all over the floor.

7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul
Good idea. Addresses a difference between NCAA and NFHS.

8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods
Don't favor in NFHS.

9. play in halves instead of quarters
Don't favor.

10. entend the game length to 36 minutes
Will this change the times for MS too? I don't think I like this.

11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only.
Neutral

12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time
Neutral

13. change from a held ball to an OOB violation on the thrower when the thrower holds the ball across the boundary plane and a defender grasps it simultaneously with the thrower
Neutral

14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.)
Don't need.

15. allow a shot clock by state adoption
Neutral

16. courtside replay for state championship games
Neutral

17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types.
Neutral

18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring
Nope. Only if they make damaging the rim an automatic forfeit :D

19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff)
Why make preventiive officiating a rule?

20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul.
I'd much rather see the NCAA-W punch/jab mechanic used for TC. It's one of my favorite signals. :cool:

Reason enough to throw them all out. :p

Geeze Padge, them's fightin' words!

But seriously - I reckon that in 5 or so years the differences in rules between FIBA and NCAA/NFHS will be minimal. Every 4 years when FIBA revises its rules they get closer and closer to rules in the US. And it looks like NCAA/NFHS is doing something similar.

Personally I think this can only be a good thing. It will make it much easier for players, fans, coaches and of course officials when taking part in international competition and moving between countries. Just my 2c

Hope we never see the trapezoid lane.

This is probably the one that will take longest to chnage, sinmply because of the financial/logistic problems in making all courts the same.

Having said that, I prefer the trapezoid lane - it makes it harder for physically huge players dominate, they have to be good basketball players as well as just big.

A rule similar to #1 was added to the NF Football rules lst year. All the football officials I talked to both personally and on this forum thought it was the dumbest rule in the history of sports.

Mr. Chairman. I propose that Ms. Rehn of S.Dakota and Mr Barr of Iowa be publically censured and prohibited from making any further proposals.

FYI: I would welcome 2, 7, 12, 15, 17, 20.

As an official who lives in Iowa and works for Mr. Barr, I can assure you we enforce the wristband rule as stated above. One would think there is more pressing issues to focus on, but how dare the players distract from the game and focus so much attention on themselves.

Must all sneakers be double-knotted as well?

My point is there is no "wristband rule" in NF or any other code. And for an administrator to say I have to prostitute myself and enforce a rule that does not exist just because it is a pet peeve is full of himself and should be banned from involvement in any sport.

Besides, NF says it is OK to have a cast over my upper arm and still be able to play by paddding it but heaven forbid anyone compromise the safety on another player by wearing those wristband/armbands/Iverson sleeve's.

People who propose these kinds of rule changes are educated beyond their intelligence.

Tell Mr. Barr to either keep his mouth shut or quit. Preferably the latter. And if you don't want to do it give him my contact information.

1. 28 ft coaching box - Fine by me, some coaches tend to roam anyway.

2. permitting gray shirt for officials - While I haven't used Grey shirts in high school play, i have used grey for adult leagues/tournaments. Associations may have to standarize though. It would look silly to have greys/zebra stripes at the same time

3. 15 minute mark for submitting player roster and starters - Not good out here. Some of the public schools have enough trouble getting things together at the 10 min. mark.

4. Home team wears even numbers, visitors odd - As others have stated, it's expensive and the public schools who don't have a lot of money will balk.

5. require headbands/sweatbands to be same color as jersey - No opinion.


6. eliminate closely guarded while dribbling - I guess I would support this as it would match the girls rules here in CA. However, I would be more open to leaving this alone and CA allowing the girls to play by the same rules as the boys.


7. include a foul committed during a throw-in by the throwing team as a team control foul - Sure.


8. stopping the game clock on made goals in the final minute of the 4thQ and extra periods - Blah. Some games go long enough as is. If a team is behind, it would just encourage them to keep fouling and stretch those last minutes to an eternity.


9. play in halves instead of quarters - Interesting idea. I would think it would affect coaches more than officials. It might be good as the game should get into a pretty good flow without the quarter break.


10. entend the game length to 36 minutes - Probably not.


11. Only permitting players on the court to request a TO, head coach during a dead ball only - Leave it only. It's fine as is.



12. eliminate lag time if officials have definite knowledge of the time - N/A


13. change from a held ball to an OOB violation on the thrower when the thrower holds the ball across the boundary plane and a defender grasps it simultaneously with the thrower - N/A


14. "a closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player."
(Mike Dick of Iowa Girls HS ath union writes of a situation in which the offensive player is cg for three seconds and then dribbles around the defender who chases the offensive player from behind but within six feet, "By current rule, the closely guarded count would continue." Hmmmm...while this clarification would be nice, it seems that someone needs to read the definition of guarding.) - Complicated enough as is.....I say leave it alone.



15. allow a shot clock by state adoption - N/A


16. courtside replay for state championship games - N/A


17. assessing only one delay of game warning for any type of delay of game situation per team instead of one for each of the three types. - Yes

18. allow pregame dunking, but not hanging on the ring - No


19. coach is out of box and "just coaching" - first offense = warning, second offense = T; coach is out of box and behaving inappropriately - first offense = T (submitted by Mary Struckhoff) - Harsh, but perhaps the rule should just say, if the coach is out of the box REGARDLESS of what he is doing, we should warn him.


20. Make signal #33 (current player control signal) also used for reporting a team control foul. - Sure, some officials are using the college "punch" mechanic.

I realize there is no "wristband rule." I should have stated it as "the proposed wristband rule," and this is how it appears in our preseason mailing:

Regarding SWEATBANDS and HEADBANDS: The National Federation Rule Book, on Page 26, Section 5, Article 3 states, "Equipment shall not be modified from its' original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn." (Sweatbands worn on the wrist, and headbands to be worn on the head.) One manufacturer's logo/trademark is permitted on the sweatbands or headbands. A headband no wider than 2", single-colored cloth may be worn. Rubber/cloth (elastic) bands may be used to control hair.

How sweatbands are unnatural or designed to increase a player's height or reach to gain an advantage is beyond my three years of experience.

Therefore I must enforce this as is, regardless of the logic (or lack thereof) behind it. It's hard to argue when the person writing the interpretations is also deciding the post-season assignments.

By the way, the players are not required to double-knot their shoe laces yet. I think they can still wear velcro if they want too. :D