New POE for next year?
 

OK so we've had the "No Jersey Popping Allowed" POE this year. Can I make a suggestion that next years' POE's include "No Screaming After a Dunk/Blocked Shot/Rebound/Made FG" - I'll call it the "Joakim Noah - AAAAAAHHHHH! Rule".

That kid is exceptionally talented, but he screams after every single play he makes on the floor!!!!

It drives me crazy....it makes me want to scream AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

Who's with me?

I'm with ya. Its starting to sound like a tennis match.

I do not disagree with you Jeff at all. I think there are already rules in place to give the officials some leeway to make that decision. I do not think we need a POE to make this call. I have yet to have a kid to this in a game but I know it would not go unattended to.

Peace

IMHO, POE not needed. If the official thinks it's unsporting, he/she could call a taunting technical foul. Talking to the kid the first time he does it might help. Telling the coach that it would be a T if you see it again would certainly work. It's just too bad that the kid's coach doesn't have the good sense to handle it so that a ref would never have to see it.

Z

Already covered in FED ball imo.....

From the 2003-04 POE's-- <i>"Further, the committee is concerned with the trend towards 'playing to the crowd', attempting to increase <b>attention</b> and praise for their own individual accomplishments rather than towards the game itself, and team achievements"</i>.

You can use that to take care of bidness if you feel that there's a problem there. Probably best to use a quiet "cut that sh!t out" first imo.

NCAA? You do what your supervisors tell you to do- unless you're one of the "Officiating Gods".

WHAT??!!

You say sh!t to the little sh1ts??!!!

That's just wrong...maybe I'll start a new poll on this, waddya think?

You're both right obviously. It's covered in the rules. But so is traveling, and somehow, that ends up being a point of emphasis, right? Palming is covered in the rules, but that was a POE this year in NCAA.

The fact that it's covered in the rules has nothing to do with whether or not a POE is issued. The POE is for rules that are not being enforced correctly or consistently. This might fall into that category.

Chuck, you took the words right out of my mouth. ALL the POE's are in the rules. They're called Points of Emphasis - not "new rules".

If I could figure out how to cut and paste - I'd copy the picture from the www.espn.com homepage right now.....there he is in all of his screaming glory!

Good thing you are not at the Bridge of Peril. By the way, what is your favorite color?

Not sure what the Bridge of Peril is - but my favorite color is whatever you're wearing....:) Well, OK - it's red.

So, here's what I'd love to happen......sometime on saturday or even perhaps on monday night just when the outcome of the game hasn't been decided, young Mr. Noah screams to the heavens in typical fashion thus resulting in a big whack from one of the officials. The resulting made free throws would cost UF the game in the waning moments and there would be much rejoicing! I hate the Gators!!
Also, why is it you see carries, travelling, displacements, and rough post play called during the regular season but come Big Dance time it seems as if a memo was generated forbidding such offenses to be whistled. Shouldn't come as a surprise, I guess.....

I realize that, but I do not see this as a big problem or something that has to be pointed out so that officials take action. Now the POE for taking out the jersey and those situations needed to be stated because it was something new in the past few years. I do not see that much dunking and seeing players yelling at the top of the lungs.

Peace

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Rut,
Gotta agree and disagree with you. I don't see it as a big problem -- yet, but I think if it became a POE now (to quote the immortal Barney Fife) it would, "Nip it in the bud!" I also think they need to address players yelling at the shooter when going up for the shot after being beaten on a breakaway, etc. It's playground nonsense that needs to be stopped.

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/n...g_noah_412.jpg

time2ref - what you posted was different from I saw on the main page (they may have removed it). It was classic Noah - on his way back to the floor after a dunk - screaming while flexing....

Thanks for the help though.

JRut - watch this weekend; I guarantee you that you'll count at least six post-dunk screams by players this weekend. Hell, Noah even does it when the opponent calls a timeout after the Gators have gone on a 10-0 run (and he never enen dunked during that stretch!)

I stand corrected...it is the Bridge of Death [which can be perilous]
Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Lancelot: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?
Sir Lancelot: My name is Sir Lancelot of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Sir Lancelot: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?
Sir Lancelot: Blue.
Bridgekeeper: Go on. Off you go.
Sir Lancelot: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.
Sir Robin: That's easy.
Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I'm not afraid.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?
Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria?
[pause]
Sir Robin: I don't know that.
[he is thrown over the edge into the volcano]
Sir Robin: Auuuuuuuugh.
Bridgekeeper: Stop. What... is your name?
Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Galahad: I seek the Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?
Galahad: Blue. No, yel...
[he is also thrown over the edge]
Galahad: auuuuuuuugh.
Bridgekeeper: Hee hee heh. Stop. What... is your name?
King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that.
Auuuuuuuugh.
Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?
King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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Just so you have the context.:D

"tis but a flesh wound"

"run away! run away! run away!"

Well, you have to know these things when you're a ref you know.:D

Clearly I'm out of touch with the mainstream on this one, but I don't see the big deal with players screaming after a big play. Its like spontaneous celebration by bench personnel after a big play...git 'r done, get back to business. And what if Joakim Noah played for your favorite team, instead of Florida (somebody said he hates the gators)...would you then be as hard on him for screaming? And why do I care if he wants to yell a lot...like I'm going looking for problems because I'm personally offended? And (yes, another "and") as officials, should we even care what team and/or player is involved?

Now if the screaming clearly is or could easily be interpreted as taunting, then that's a different matter. And if emotions begin to run a little hot I'll step in and attempt some diplomacy before brining out the heavy ar"T"illery. But otherwise, is it so different from a player pumping a fist or high-fiving a teammate as he runs back down court? These are kids...let 'em have fun before they head to the non-celebratory NFL. Whoops...wrong sport.

Yeah, I thought he looked a little mild there. How about these????

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5446938_7_2.jpg



http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5447302_7_2.jpg



The old Monty Python movie "In Search of the Holy Grail"
.......LOL.......LOL......LOL......GREAT MOVIE..............
I loved the part about the Black Knight "Come over here you coward.....I'll bite your ankle".

Noah had the bench plastered to his butt last year and now he is emerging as one of the stars in the tournament. Is all this suppose to occur without emotion? Face it, sports are often emotional.

If this emotion spills over into taunting, I think it should be punished accordingly.

BTW, I don't know if I ever completed a (traditional) three-point play without giving a little yell. :p

Let me face the peril!

No. It's too perilous.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/zootgirl.jpg

What are you going to do? Bleed on me?

Ooooh! I'll do you for that!

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/bknight2.jpg

[QUOTE=Corndog89]Clearly I'm out of touch with the mainstream on this one, but I don't see the big deal with players screaming after a big play. Its like spontaneous celebration by bench personnel after a big play...git 'r done, get back to business.
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I have no problem at all with players showing emotion/enthusiasm during a game or after an important play. I do have a problem when players scream and celebrate after every play their involved in. I've seen Noah scream after a dunk, a blocked shot, a rebound, a time-out called by the other team, and his pre-game introduction (just to name a few).

The over/under line from Vegas on Noah's Screams is 10.5 for Sat's game. I'm going with the over - it's the Final Four, big crowd, his dad will be over from France. It all add's up to a new Final Four record.....

Let's ask for a POE about all forms of expression next year. Anything other than, "Thanks for the foul call, sir, may I have another?" will be unsportsmanlike conduct.

Hqw about a POE the says that Joakim Noah isn't allowed on the floor next year?......oh, wait - an NBA team will draft him, pay him good money, and have him sit on the bench...that works for me.

Spank me. No, spank me.

[QUOTE=jeffpea]http://www.cdaccess.com/gifs/screen/holygr3.jpg

[QUOTE=jeffpea]and...

"Hqw about a POE the says that Joakim Noah isn't allowed on the floor next year?......oh, wait - an NBA team will draft him, pay him good money, and have him sit on the bench...that works for me."

JPea...you seem to have a real issue with Noah. Whassup?

So, for atonement, you must bring me........A SHRUBBERY!

[QUOTE=Corndog89]I think he is a tremendously talented player; plays with hi-energy/emotion; and (from what others have publicly said) he has a great work ethic and a strong desire to improve. As a former D1 asst. coach, I LOVE those qualities about a kid...............

I just don't like the screaming that takes place after plays (in Noah's case - after routine plays). This has crept into the college/HS game from the NBA, street ball, and other outside influences (much like jersey popping, low-rider shorts, shirt tails out, etc.) Ultimately, it doesn't affect the outcome of the game - but it just looks really bad. I in my early 30's, so I'm not an "old school"-guy.....but we can take care of it very easily - AAAAAAAAHHHHH! = T

[QUOTE=Corndog89]Hope he knows Roger.:D

[QUOTE=jeffpea]That makes sense...I was just curious.


"Oh, what sad times are there when passing ruffians can say "Ni!" at will to old ladies! There is a pestilence in this land! Nothing is sacred! Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history!"

"Did you say shrubberies?"

"Yes. Shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is 'Roger the Shrubber'. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies."

Couldn't agree with you more. This is my pet hate when refereeing.:mad: As my high school coach used to say - players that do this are too dumb/lazy/bad to be able to play real defense.

Thankfully this was put into the FIBA POE in 2004. It instructs referees to issue a warning if they determine that it had no effect on the shooter - subsequent occurances are to be called a tech foul.

[QUOTE=Corndog89]http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictur...lyGrail140.jpg