Goal tending or no? (WASH/UConn)
 

What did you all think about the goal tending no-call in the last couple of minuets of OT in the Washington/Uconn game? With the benefit of replays I thought that it was probably goal tending. It also looked to me like the player who rebounded the shot was OOB but I couldn't tell for sure. Thoughts?

On the replay I thought it was just barely goaltending. At full speed, on the run, tough to say....

That looked like a really tough game to work.

I thought it was goaltending when I saw it live and still think so with the benefit of replay, but after seeing the replay, I was slightly less certain, the ball was very near its apex. Either way, a very tough decision and certainly not a no brainer either way at game speed.

I thought it was goaltending and it seemed really obvious to me. But eh, who am I? ;)


On a sidenote, what crew was that? Big 12 or SEC? Don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't too impressed. And by that, I mean it seemed like there wasn't any consistancy. Anyone else???

(I like how my dues are due tomorrow and I still haven't turned them in. How horrible am I? :D )

I thought it was a missed call, but I had to see it on replay to make that determination. This was not an easy call at all or obvious by any means. I have no problem with the call because it was so close. It was an either or type of call.

Peace

These are not crews these are individuals. Most officials at this level work multiple conferences in the first place. It is entirely possible that all three officials never worked together until tonight.

Peace

Clearly goaltending
 

What surprises me is how high up the Center official was...barely in the TV screen. Although I guess the trail could've come in, but I'm guessing he was straightlined.

I give Coach Romar a lot of credit for not going ballistic.

Hey, Sean! How did your season go?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I know all about the "hey, they work multiple conferences thing." I wasn't, however, sure if say the "sec" got to officiate a certain final or if "hey, you three have been selected to work..." You get what I'm saying?

I know for sure one of the guys in that crew works in the Big 12. I've seen him do numerous Texas Longhorn games.

Goaltending was my call made in real time from the luxury of my couch, and thus confirmed when I saw it on replay. It was the C's call and I believe it was Steve Skiles in the slot at that particular time. Probably caught him completely by surprise with an, "Oh, S**t" kinda reaction followed by a huge gulping sound of air flowing in the opposite direction of his whistle. Certainly didn't decide the game but it was one of those "game changing moments"! Correct me if I'm wrong, too, but I believe it was Skiles that called the double-T also. Tough night certainly for that crew.....

You talking to me?

:confused:

As I stated before each official is assigned individually. I believe you have to have worked a Conference Championship game or become recommended by a conference. So each conference gets to recommend 3 officials to the NCAA. Those are the officials that work the NCAA Tournament and they try to keep officials away from conferences they normally work. So if you are recommended by the Big Ten, the NCAA will keep you away from the Big Ten conference as much as possible. Each official gets advanced not much different than the teams playing. Out of 6 officials in each little bracket, 3 will advance to the next level. If they do not do a good job (according to the NCAA) they will not advance. I think you can work a Final Four and not work a Regional Final btw. So the guy you said you have seen a Texas games is not working any schools with Big 12 teams in them.

Peace

I noticed the same thing. They never all seemed to be on the same page. It' didn't look like they were all having their best night of the season.

With all the slo-mo replays the goal tend looked very, very, close. I know what it's like to have something your not expecting happen and miss it. I was working a camp last summer. We had a fast brake and I was T or C (3 person crew - can't remember which). A1 lays the ball in then B1 reaches from under the net and punches the ball out so it almost hits the ceiling. Both the other official and I were caught by surprise and the L ended up having to call it. We all saw it and knew what the right call was it was just a matter blowing the whistle.

Not that the media knows what they are talking about, but I believe I heard SportsCenter give the officials credit for making the "correct" call.

It was certainly a tough call, live I thought it was correct. Slow it down, and it's certainly harder. But, got to give the benefit of the doubt to the official. He made the call and sold it and I'll buy into his call.

Great game!

I had a similar situation like this happen in this year's post season. I was the Regional Championship and with about 2 or 3 seconds to go in the game the team losing at the time shoot a desperation shot and the defender goes up and swats the ball away above the rim and quite high. It took me a second to just realize what happen, but I made the call with about 1.7 to go on the clock (host team lost). I guess it was really obvious to a lot of people and I was told by someone associated with the host school who also is a basketball official told me right after the game it was the right call. I just know in my mind it seemed like it took several minutes before I made a decision. I was caught off guard but I am sure I made the right call. That was about as pressured a situation I was in and there were not millions of people on TV watching either. I also did not see many replays on my play to know if I did everything right or wrong either.

Peace

I think you've got the wrong thread.

In this game there was a close goaltending that wasn't called.

Live I jumped out of my seat and screamed GT, it's just good for my roommates that I didn't have my whistle in my mouth. :D These are tough sometimes because you're not watching the ball.

The coach did go crazy! He was jumping all over the court. If they were confident of their no call, I think the coach and bench personnel's actions would have been deserving of a technical. But since they weren't sure if they missed the call they let it go.

I had a similar play, although it was not a transition play. A1 drives to the basket and is fouled by B1. A1 releases the ball and B2 blocks the ball while it's on the way down. I was Lead and called the initial foul. I stood there with my fist up, thinking "T's got the GT, right? Um, guess not. C will pick it up, I'm sure. Uh, no. Ok, then. . ." Tweet! I didn't like it, but had to get it.

After the game, the C and T both said what you said. They saw it, but got surprised and just didn't blow the whistle.

Ah, the benefits of TiVo. It was goaltending.

BTW, both the center AND the trail called it -- one replay showed the play from the baseline and you can see the trail also immediately signaling the goaltending.

I'm confused now. Are you guys talking about the NOT CALLED goaltending on Brandon Roy during the UCONN/Wash game or are you talking about the BC/Nova goaltending at the end of the game?

Sorry. I saw both and mixed them up.

They were BOTH goaltending, one called, one not. I TiVoed both of them and the no call in UConn/U-Dub was clearly missed -- it was coming down when blocked. The announcers were right on top of it and for once they were right. Of course, that is one call most easily made from a chair on the sidelines.

The BC/Nova GT was a good call, nailed by both the T and the C.

I thought it was GT, but I'm at home sitting on my couch. Anyone besides me think this game was a perfect example of one coach getting into the officials heads early and getting benefit of the calls late because of it? I'm really undecided about that, but that game is the first one in a really long time where I felt the officials did not do a very good job, and I'm thinking Calhoun had a lot to do with that.

YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT PLAYS!!!!!!!!!

This thread is about the GT that was not called in the UConn-Washington game.

It is not about the GT call that was correctly made in the Nove-BC game.

I thought it was obviously goaltending live. (Talking about UConn/Wash here.) On the first tivo replay, I wasn't so sure. On the second tivo reply, I thought it was just barely goaltending.

The camera angle, though, is a little funky. It's below the ball, and I think that distorts things.

Bottom line -- probably GT.

Tough game for that crew. Announcers made it worse. I can take them questioning calls, but when they say things about giving a T for "showing up the ref," I cringe.

On the BC play, clearly goaltending, and it looked pretty clear the goal would have scored but for the goaltending, which makes it a heady play by the BC player. Pick it out of the basket and pray they miss it.

Pizanno,

He DID go ballistic. Play was so frantic that the officials or camera could not focus on him.

Mulk

My fault. I was talking about the BC/Nova game.... it was real late whenever I read the thread... sorry everyone.

Even though it was very close to being GT in real time, I thought it was close enough that it was probably a good "no call". After seeing it replayed several times in slow motion I was convinced the shot was at the top of its arc and I did not see that it had started its downward tragectory. Afterwards, I thought it was a good play to let go... :cool:

Just start a poll...

I started a new thread with a pole. You can read it here.