Rules Queston
 

I was playing in an intramural game and had a question about a call. A player on the other team got a defensive rebound and I came from behind and hit it out of his hands. The ball bounced and stayed in bounds. I went out of bounds, jumped back in, planted both feet therefore establishing position and then picked up the ball that had been bouncing untouched near the sideline. Is this a violation??? It was called a turnover in the game.

Did you go out intentionally?

You only need to have one foot down in bounds, as long as the other foot isn't touching out of bounds, to establish position. Two feet are not required.
The only way this is a violation is if the ref determined you went out of bounds purposefully rather than by momentum.
That said, it's possible the ref has the rule wrong. Not much you can do about it, though, during the game. Not much you can do after the game, either, unless you're buddies with him.

So you're saying that if my momentum carried me out and I reestablished position, that there is no violation? Basically...it's the exact same thing as if this had happened in the open court. I hit the ball out of the defenders hands from behind...the ball bounced a few feet away...I walked up and got to the ball first w/o anyone touching it...no violation. i reestablished myself meaning the 2 situations are identical?

If you were the last person to touch the ball before you went out of bounds, you cannot be the first to touch the ball. This was probably the interpretation on the play in question.

Ahem.........cough,cough

Make sure to throw your hat at the spot where the player left the FIELD.;)

:D ROTFLMAO!

Nfhs
 

NOT TRUE!!

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I'll say it since no one else has, yet.

While this may be the interpretation the ref used in making the call, he's wrong to make it unless this IM league is playing by NCAA women's rules. I've seen other-wise good refs make this call (in hs rules), but it's no less wrong.

I know there are a lot of differences between the men's and women's games, but this isn't one of them, is it?

Let's not forget this is an Intramural referee and may not have necessarily someone whose undergone the same training as us.

Alternatively, this ref may have seen or thought he'd seen one of your feet still out-of-bounds and called you out of bounds.

I'm completely willing to retract my statement. Is it a college rule in general?

NF--Not true at all.
 

This is not true as it relates to NF rules at all. This would only slightly be true at the NCAA level if you rule the player went out of bounds to gain an advantage and then touched the ball. Only then would a violation be even warranted. If the player accidentally went out of bounds (momentum takes them out of bounds), then they are allowed to touch the ball at any time as long as they first establish themselves inbounds.

Peace

The NCAA rule refers to being the last to POSSESS and the first to touch. (illegal)

Sorry bud, but that is totally incorrect. The player does not even have to touch the ball prior to leaving the court, let alone possess it. Sorry to be so harsh, but you really need to get this stuff straight yourself before you speak so authoritatively on it to others looking for answers. Otherwise, you are doing more harm than help.

Here's the quote from the NCAA book as it appears on pages 127-128:

RULE 9 Violations and Penalties

"Section 4. Player Out of Bounds

Art. 1.

A.R. 13.

[QUOTE=Nevadaref]Sorry bud, but that is totally incorrect. The player does not even have to touch the ball prior to leaving the court, let alone possess it. Sorry to be so harsh, but you really need to get this stuff straight yourself before you speak so authoritatively on it to others looking for answers. Otherwise, you are doing more harm than help.

Here's the quote from the NCAA book as it appears on pages 127-128:
A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and
then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing
court has committed a violation.
a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out
of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-5.8.a, does not receive the pass
along the endline by a teammate and is the first to touch the ball
after his or her return to the playing court
]Team A sets a double screen for A1, who, in attempting to come across the freethrow lane, is legally obstructed by offensive and defensive players so that A1 leaves the playing court under the basket, circles around, returns to the playing court and then is the first to receive the ball. ]A violation has been committed by A1 for leaving the playing court and then becomes the first player to touch the ball upon returnAs you can see no where in the rule is possessing or holding the ball mentioned.


Nevadaref: This is not the situation being discussed. Try page BR-112, article 1. Don't be so quick to judge. I am talking about a player NOT leaving the court voluntarily. Read the case A.R.1 thoroughly and see what you think it says. It delineates between last to touch and then returning to the floor and last to possess and then returning to the floor.

Man, you lost me on this one. I'm not trying to be rude here, but I truly don't understand what you see in that AR. I'm posting the ENTIRE page 112 from the NCAA rules book in an attempt to clarify this situation:

RULE 7

Out of Bounds and
the Throw-in

Section 1. Out of Bounds—Player, Ball

Art. 1.

A player shall be out of bounds when he or she touches the floor or any object other than a player on or outside a boundary line. An airborne player’s status shall be where he or she was last in contact with the floor.

A.R. 1.

A.R. 3.

A.R. 4.

Nevadaref: This is not the situation being discussed. Try page BR-112, article 1. Don't be so quick to judge. I am talking about a player NOT leaving the court voluntarily. Read the case A.R.1 thoroughly and see what you think it says. It delineates between last to touch and then returning to the floor and last to possess and then returning to the floor.

[/QUOTE]I read the case play thoroughly. My judgement is the same as Nevada's. You're completely wrong. Nowhere is there anything mentioned about being "the last to possess and the first to touch".

Stick to dumping on NCAA officials. You're much better at that. :D

Socal, don't be so quick to dismiss what Nevada tells you when it comes to the rules. You are misunderstanding something and I'm not sure what it is. But the rule Nevada quoted for you makes it perfectly clear that there's no prohibition against "being the last to POSSESS and the first to touch", as you state in your previous post.

Additionally, the AR that you quote has nothing to do "being the last to POSSESS and the first to touch" either. The part of that AR that you seem to refer to talks about being "in control of the ball when leaving the playing court" (emphasis mine). It's talking about stepping OOB while holding or dribbling the ball. That is completely different from what you are claiming.

So, as you can see, I have read your posts when you talk about the rules. :rolleyes: