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JRutledge Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:27am

What about this finish?---Gonz/UCLA
 
WOW!!!!!:eek:

Peace

dave30 Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:31am

These games tonight are incredible! West Virginia and Gonzaga have nothing to be ashamed of.

It's too bad the Warriors and Mavericks picked tonight to play an NBA classic as well....not too many people were watching! Jason Richardson hit a 3 pter to win it at the buzzer after a coast to coast with a spin downcourt...after Derek Fisher thought he had tied it on a 3 pter and foul that was waved off !

Snake~eyes Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:32am

AGREED! Great games.

JRutledge Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:36am

Dave,

Did you just make an NBA reference on an NCAA topic? Dude, what the hell were you thinking? :D

Peace

BOBBYMO Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:37am

I agree
 
Double WOW!!!

Great games!!!

I was really rooting for the Zag's though :( :mad:

Nevadaref Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:39am

Zags gave that one away.

The casino guys flat out NAILED this one.

UCLA was a two point favorite and the over/under on pts scored by Adam Morrison was 24 1/2. Those number crunchers are UNREAL!

dave30 Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:53am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Dave,

Did you just make an NBA reference on an NCAA topic? Dude, what the hell were you thinking? :D

Peace


Sorry !!! Just got caught up in the moment ! I had to mention it since it isn't often that I see three buzzer beaters on TV in one evening !

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Mar 24, 2006 05:05am

I did not see the end of this game; I only hear a radio replay of it.

BUT!!! While I did not have a favorite in this game, the end of this game is the reason why the Alternation Possession Rule is an abomination. The game should have been restarted with a Jump Ball.

MTD, Sr.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 24, 2006 05:30am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I did not see the end of this game; I only hear a radio replay of it.

BUT!!! While I did not have a favorite in this game, the end of this game is the reason why the Alternation Possession Rule is an abomination. The game should have been restarted with a Jump Ball.

MTD, Sr.

It should have been a foul on Ravio anyway. He just dove on top of the UCLA player after he lost the ball. The official probably knew that the arrow favored UCLA and just did it that way.

Raymond Fri Mar 24, 2006 08:50am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
It should have been a foul on Ravio anyway. He just dove on top of the UCLA player after he lost the ball. The official probably knew that the arrow favored UCLA and just did it that way.

I've been a UCLA fan since the days of Bill Walton & Keith (Jamal) Wilkes...that said, my opinion is the dribbler from Gonzaga was fouled at halfcourt (defender reached in and hit him in the midsection) which knocked him off balance and caused separation between him and the ball. That allowed the second defender get his hand on the ball and knock it away which led to the tie up.

truerookie Fri Mar 24, 2006 09:11am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
WOW!!!!!:eek:

Peace


Texas and WV ended the same way too!!! Shot as the buzzer neither team had TO's left.

Two great games back to back. Truly MARCH MADNESS!!!!!

Junker Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:51am

The games were great. I really wanted to see Gonzaga go on, but they didn't execute down the stretch. I also enjoyed Batista in the press conference saying that he wasn't going to complain about the officiating.....and then of course complained about the officiating. If he would have gotten rid of the ball late against the press, they could have been in a much better position. Also fun from last night was Teddy V. whacking the kid from Memphis. Did anyone else see that the kid had 7 T's on the year? I would think someone on the coaching staff might want to speak with him about sportsmanship.

socalreff Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by Junker
The games were great. I really wanted to see Gonzaga go on, but they didn't execute down the stretch. I also enjoyed Batista in the press conference saying that he wasn't going to complain about the officiating.....and then of course complained about the officiating. If he would have gotten rid of the ball late against the press, they could have been in a much better position. Also fun from last night was Teddy V. whacking the kid from Memphis. Did anyone else see that the kid had 7 T's on the year? I would think someone on the coaching staff might want to speak with him about sportsmanship.

It's hilarious that Batista had the gaul to talk about the officiating. I thought that UCLA showed tremendous restraint to not say anything about the poor officiating throughout the game. Once again, an official does not know what CONTINUOUS MOTION means on the play by Collison. And since when is it a foul if you get blocked by the backboard?

ChuckElias Fri Mar 24, 2006 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
It's hilarious that Batista had the gaul to talk about the officiating.

You mean the press conference was in France? :confused:

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I thought that UCLA showed tremendous restraint to not say anything about the poor officiating throughout the game.
Once again, you show up simply to put down other officials. Time to move on, Socal. :(

jeffpea Fri Mar 24, 2006 01:54pm

hey socalreff - who was the foul called on? was it Raivio #5 or #2 Pargo? There were two players there - the announcers and everyone else thought a blocking foul was called on #2 Pargo.

If you think it was a block on Pargo - then you are incorrect. It was called on Raivio for reaching in BEFORE Collison ended his dribble and started his habitiaul shooting motion. Good call by Gerry Pollard.

truerookie Fri Mar 24, 2006 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea
hey socalreff - who was the foul called on? was it Raivio #5 or #2 Pargo? There were two players there - the announcers and everyone else thought a blocking foul was called on #2 Pargo.

If you think it was a block on Pargo - then you are incorrect. It was called on Raivio for reaching in BEFORE Collison ended his dribble and started his habitiaul shooting motion. Good call by Gerry Pollard.

Jeffpea, I too thought it was a block on Pargo. I then saw the replay and seen the reach in by Raivio and understood why Pollard made the call. It was a good call.

rockyroad Fri Mar 24, 2006 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie
Jeffpea, I too thought it was a block on Pargo. I then saw the replay and seen the reach in by Raivio and understood why Pollard made the call. It was a good call.

As was the so-called "block by the backboard"...the foul was called on the UCLA kid who slapped Knight across the arm as he was starting to jump - not the UCLA player behind him as he shoved the ball into the backboard...geez. The reffing was good in this game - Gonzaga's play down the stretch was not. That's why they lost...players are taught from early on to "chin the ball" when defenders apply pressure. Batista decided to stand there and hold the ball behind his head - instead of blaming refs, maybe he should kick himself in the a$$...

JRutledge Fri Mar 24, 2006 02:19pm

I thought the announcers could find out who the official called the foul on? Someone was called for the foul, why would the Bilas not know who the foul was committed on? I thought the call was wrong as well (because I thought the block was called). It seems to me all someone had to do is ask who he called the foul on and that would have ended the discussion. Bilas went on and on about how bad the call and admitted later he did not know who the foul was called on. It was kind of funny.

Peace

26 Year Gap Fri Mar 24, 2006 06:44pm

Batista should KNOW that the Statue of Liberty play is used in football, not basketball.

socalreff Sat Mar 25, 2006 03:13am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I thought the announcers could find out who the official called the foul on? Someone was called for the foul, why would the Bilas not know who the foul was committed on? I thought the call was wrong as well (because I thought the block was called). It seems to me all someone had to do is ask who he called the foul on and that would have ended the discussion. Bilas went on and on about how bad the call and admitted later he did not know who the foul was called on. It was kind of funny.

Peace

Just curious.... I know the foul was on the reach-in, not blocking foul. You guys still think it was a non-shooting foul? I remember a D-1 assignor saying 2 things at various camps and one was, "Count the Basket or give him 2 shots if it doesn't go in. If he's picked up the dribble, he's in the act of shooting." Why do we as officials too many times penalize the offended and not the offender? We reward bad defense?

socalreff Sat Mar 25, 2006 03:19am

Once again, you show up simply to put down other officials. Time to move on, Socal. :([/QUOTE]
I guess you haven't seen all my posts. I have responded to plenty of rules threads and other subjects as well. But when someone has a bad game, player or official, they aren't above critique.

eg. : The no-call in Washington UConn game on a goal tend that kept UW down by one instead of up by one with 1:20 remaining in OT.

ChuckElias Sat Mar 25, 2006 09:41am

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Originally Posted by socalreff
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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
Once again, you show up simply to put down other officials. Time to move on, Socal. :(

I guess you haven't seen all my posts. I have responded to plenty of rules threads and other subjects as well.

I've read enough of your posts to know that you'd rather tell us how bad an official is than talk actual basketball. And recently, at least, when you have talked about the rules, you've been dead wrong. Time for you to find something else to do, IMO.

socalreff Sat Mar 25, 2006 08:22pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias
I've read enough of your posts to know that you'd rather tell us how bad an official is than talk actual basketball. And recently, at least, when you have talked about the rules, you've been dead wrong. Time for you to find something else to do, IMO.

You can think that if you want but I stand corrected for now on one official I criticized earlier. Tim Higgins just had an OUTSTANDING half in the Memphis - UCLA game. He was en fuego. Travels, PC's, rebounding on both ends--awesome!!

Jurassic Referee Sat Mar 25, 2006 09:42pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
You can think that if you want but I stand corrected for now on one official I criticized earlier. Tim Higgins just had an OUTSTANDING half in the Memphis - UCLA game. He was en fuego. Travels, PC's, rebounding on both ends--awesome!!

Tell the truth now....you're not really an official, are you? You're a UCLA fanboy just wandering through.:D

Nevadaref Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:43pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
You can think that if you want but I stand corrected for now on one official I criticized earlier. Tim Higgins just had an OUTSTANDING half in the Memphis - UCLA game. He was en fuego. Travels, PC's, rebounding on both ends--awesome!!

No Senator Kennedy was not good today. Even BktBallRef said that he was napping out there.

socalreff Sun Mar 26, 2006 08:40pm

UConn--Mason game
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Tell the truth now....you're not really an official, are you? You're a UCLA fanboy just wandering through.:D

The officials on the UConn game today did an outstanding job today. As a crew they were very consistent calling similar plays the same way on both ends including the points of emphasis. :) I do give credit where I believe it's due and I think that all 4 regional finals were officiated very well. I guess that's why those guys are on those games.
My biggest gripe with officials is when they don't do a good job of enforcing the points of emphasis as handed down by the boss. It just makes it harder for everyone to be consistent when some do and some don't. That's all.

JRutledge Sun Mar 26, 2006 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
The officials on the UConn game today did an outstanding job today. As a crew they were very consistent calling similar plays the same way on both ends including the points of emphasis. :) I do give credit where I believe it's due and I think that all 4 regional finals were officiated very well. I guess that's why those guys are on those games.
My biggest gripe with officials is when they don't do a good job of enforcing the points of emphasis as handed down by the boss. It just makes it harder for everyone to be consistent when some do and some don't. That's all.

It is easy for you and me to say this while sitting on our couches. Not sure what POEs you feel should be called, but I can tell you that not everything is easily seen on TV. Just because there is a POE does not mean you throw out all aspects of officiating to make a single call.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Sun Mar 26, 2006 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
My biggest gripe with officials is when they don't do a good job of enforcing the points of emphasis as handed down by the boss. It just makes it harder for everyone to be consistent when some do and some don't. That's all.

And what NCAA POE's are you specifically talking about that you think aren't being enforced?:confused:


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