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Jesse James Mon Mar 13, 2006 01:12pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
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Originally posted by zebraman


Was he not awarded this playoff game previously? Yes. Did the color of his skin prevent him from being awarded that game? No. But now he and another official get into an altercation that spreads onto the floor and is very unprofessional. He could have walked away and not let it become a big argument that everyone saw. It obviously embarrassed other officials and most certainly the tournament staff. They have the right to get rid of those officials. Both officials were removed. Good.

Z

Larry Boucher who is on the NFHS Basketball Committee about 2 years ago came to the IHSA Official's Convention and spoke in a few sessions. One of the things he said was that Kentucky because of racial problems and history requires assignments at the State Tournament to be made with racial consideration. In other words, there is a requirement by law to have some many Black officials and so many female officials that work the State Tournament. Now if the Kentucky Supreme Court had to step in to make assignments fair, why would you not expect a situation like this to have some underlining racial factor to it? Now I am not saying it was, but if that is the way the guy feels, he has the right to say that. I am tired of people always telling others that they cannot claim racism when there is not only a clear history of such in this country, but it there is history in that state. I do not know of any state that had to have their State Supreme Court had to step in to alleviate racial history for officiating assignments. Do know of another state? If you had ever personally experienced racial problems throughout your life, you might understand why this get brought up a lot in this country.

Peace

"I tried to prevent this," said Montgomery

Odd way to do that by having your lawyer file the injunction.

Montgomery may well have been the victim here. But if he wants to fight it, do it after the state tournament. Sounds like someone who believes he's bigger than the game.

dacodee Mon Mar 13, 2006 01:44pm

You've gotta be kidding me! I don't care what happened in the locker room. As an official, you have to be more responsible than to carry your personal issue onto the court. The judge that ordered the injunction should've smacked the guy and ordered the other official to be smacked. After both received their smacks, continue the tournament without them. If you cannot hold yourself to a high standard, you shouldn't be officiating a tournament game (no matter how much you've proven yourself).

I'll expect a lawsuit from Montgomery. He's done...

Play-On!!!

DAC

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 13, 2006 02:05pm

Kentucky, or Ontario???
 
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Originally posted by JRutledge
...so many female officials...

canuckrefguy Mon Mar 13, 2006 02:10pm

Re: Kentucky, or Ontario???
 
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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
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Originally posted by JRutledge
...so many female officials...

Oooooooh....JR,

Care to elaborate?

:confused:


tomegun Mon Mar 13, 2006 02:29pm

I don't have any problem if someone says they don't have enough information to know whether this has to do with race or not because there really isn't enough information. However, I'm bothered by the way people seem to dismiss race as a possibility. One side says it is about race, the other side says (I assume) it isn't and the court will decide, but it is always so easy to dismiss it as "playing the race card." Well, I'm starting to believe there is a "reverse race card" or something for those who continually say this.

A retired Chief (Air Force E-9) told me last week about Montgomery Alabama being a racist city. He told me he went there to visit some good friends with his wife and they stayed with the couple they went to visit. After he left some of the neighbors asked this couple why they let some black people stay with them. True story.

Affirmative action is still an answer. True story.

There is a new show called "black and white" where a white family is made up to be black and a black family is made up to be white so they can see how it is to live like each other. True story.

I said all of that to say that race problems still exist in the United States and it would be naive to think the world of basketball is in a bubble without these problems. Whether we like the messangers or not, I would hope we could at least consider (like some have done) these accusations. I'm just as sick of this being an issue as the next man, but until we treat each other equally across the board it will still happen. Unfortunately, we will all probably be dead and gone before that happens.

BktBallRef Mon Mar 13, 2006 02:44pm

What's the over/under on how many more posts are written before this thread is closed?

bebanovich Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:05pm

It seems that maybe this paragraph from the article is supposed to cause locals to nod knowingly at each other:

"Montgomery said the issue was a rumor that he had a hand in getting two other officials removed from the J'town-Male semifinal. Darin Stanfield and Alfred Smith, both Male graduates, were taken off that game after J'town protested."

It means nothing to me, but seems like it might hold a clue to a Kentucky scholar.

I hope the thread doesn't close as long as it doesn't get personal. Well, entirely personal.

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:12pm

Re: Re: Kentucky, or Ontario???
 
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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
Care to elaborate?
I tried to send you a PM but I can't.

canuckrefguy Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:16pm

I will change my settings....


rockyroad Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:20pm

I have two thoughts on this - which is pretty good for me, to have two thoughts at once that is...

1)No way in the world should some other official be in the locker room starting an argument and calling another official "boy"...that guy deserved to be escorted out of the gym and lose his game.The partners in the locker room should have gotten that guy out of there.

2)Montgomery had no business letting the argument continue out into the hallway and onto the floor - all he had to do was say "I'm done with this" and walk out onto the court. If the other guy follows and keep yelling, he gets escorted out and Montgomery stays - it's really simple. He chose not to do that and it cost him...

tomegun Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:34pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
I have two thoughts on this - which is pretty good for me, to have two thoughts at once that is...

1)No way in the world should some other official be in the locker room starting an argument and calling another official "boy"...that guy deserved to be escorted out of the gym and lose his game.The partners in the locker room should have gotten that guy out of there.

2)Montgomery had no business letting the argument continue out into the hallway and onto the floor - all he had to do was say "I'm done with this" and walk out onto the court. If the other guy follows and keep yelling, he gets escorted out and Montgomery stays - it's really simple. He chose not to do that and it cost him...

Two good points.

Snake~eyes Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:50pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
What's the over/under on how many more posts are written before this thread is closed?
41. What are you taking?

eastdavis Mon Mar 13, 2006 03:57pm

It baffles me that a judge even considered an injunction let alone issued one that would shut down the game. That judge ought to be booted just as far as any basketball official in this case.


Montgomery may or may not have been wronged but for him to say he was just doing the right thing and that it wasn't about Montgomery is a bunch of hogwash in my opinion. His actions reek of "ME,ME,ME".



zebraman Mon Mar 13, 2006 05:39pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
I have two thoughts on this - which is pretty good for me, to have two thoughts at once that is...

1)No way in the world should some other official be in the locker room starting an argument and calling another official "boy"...that guy deserved to be escorted out of the gym and lose his game.The partners in the locker room should have gotten that guy out of there.

2)Montgomery had no business letting the argument continue out into the hallway and onto the floor - all he had to do was say "I'm done with this" and walk out onto the court. If the other guy follows and keep yelling, he gets escorted out and Montgomery stays - it's really simple. He chose not to do that and it cost him...

Exactly my point. I don't care if the officials involved were white, black, green or blue. Any officials that are so unprofessional that they take an argument out on the floor deserve to be gone.

Z

BktBallRef Mon Mar 13, 2006 06:13pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
What's the over/under on how many more posts are written before this thread is closed?
41. What are you taking?

Oh, you're long. I'm thinking 20, tops!


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