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[zebraman]

Originally posted by JRutledge

This is not entirely true. If you look at the mechanics books in both NF and CCA (I can only speak for Men’s), the middle of the floor (the width of the lane) is considered dual area as it relates to a three point try. Both officials can easily see or might recognize shot in the middle of the floor. There are even situations that this can happen in a 2 Person game around the FT line extended area.

Peace

Yes, but one official should then drop and turn and watch the rebounders while the other official retains the signal and stays with shooter.

Normally the trail will stay with it and the center will drop (essential pregame topic).

Z

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by zebraman
Yes, but one official should then drop and turn and watch the rebounders while the other official retains the signal and stays with shooter.

Why should you drop it once it's up? I agree it's not necessary, but like chicken soup, it couldn't hoyt!

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Why should you drop it once it's up? I agree it's not necessary, but like chicken soup, it couldn't hoyt!

I've always been taught as long as you're signalling the attempt, you have the shooter in your primary. If the other official drops their signal, that tells the crew they are looking off-ball for rebounding, etc. If I see you keep the signal for the attempt, I'm not sure if I need to look off-ball or not, which could lead to two officials either watching the shooter, or worse, two officials not watching the shooter.

So, for me it's just that non-verbal communication between partners that lets each other know responsibilities and areas of coverage. As Z said, necessary in pre-game to keep from getting burned by any chicken soup that might be too hot.

[Dan_ref]

I vote with Z & M&M.

[SmokeEater]

So who watches the actual shot attempt and signals the made 3 in a 3 whistle crew?

I know in 2 whistle, trail signals the made basket. If lead has indicated its a 3 point attempt then trail should always mirror the attempt and then signal the made if its good.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by SmokeEater
So who watches the actual shot attempt and signals the made 3 in a 3 whistle crew?

The official (T -OR- C) in whose primary the shot was taken indicates the attempt. (In NCAAW, if the shot is taken from the L's area, the L AND T indicate the attempt)

Both the T and the C signal if the basket is made. (In NCAAW, the L does not give an indication).

Of course, this can change if the basket is attempted during transition.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by bob jenkins
In NCAAW, if the shot is taken from the L's area, the L AND T indicate the attempt

Gasp! Horrors! Isn't there mass confusion about whose primary the shot is in? What if we have 2 officials watching the shooter? Or worse, 2 officials NOT watching the shooter!?!?! Cats and dogs -- living together!! Mass hysteria!!!

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by SmokeEater
So who watches the actual shot attempt and signals the made 3 in a 3 whistle crew?

I know in 2 whistle, trail signals the made basket. If lead has indicated its a 3 point attempt then trail should always mirror the attempt and then signal the made if its good.

Whoever's area the shooter is in, that's who will signal the attempt. I believe that is the same in both 2-whistle and 3. Once the shot is made, in 3-whistle the T and C both signal the made basket, in 2-whistle the T gives the signal.

I'm not sure I agree with your statement about the T giving the signal on the attempt in 2-whistle. I've always been taught whoever has on-ball coverage will be the one to signal the attempt. This tells me there are two sets of eyes on the ball, and no one watching off-ball. There are times where this might happen, such as when a dribbler comes out of one area, stops in the "gray area" and shoots, and both officials happen to be watching the shot. But in most cases, I think only one official should be giving the attempt.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
I'm not sure I agree with your statement about the T giving the signal on the attempt in 2-whistle.

In a 2-whistle game, the Trail always signals a made 3-pointer. If the shot originated from the Lead's primary, then the Lead will also indicate the made 3-pointer.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Gasp! Horrors! Isn't there mass confusion about whose primary the shot is in? What if we have 2 officials watching the shooter? Or worse, 2 officials NOT watching the shooter!?!?! Cats and dogs -- living together!! Mass hysteria!!!

What's the worse that can happen - a hole torn in the universe? Exactly!

Maybe I've been doing it wrong, but I've never signaled the attempt at T if the L has the shot. If the L has the shot in the corner, I've got paint and low-block coverage. I do signal the made basket at T, and so does the C.

[SmokeEater]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Whoever's area the shooter is in, that's who will signal the attempt. I believe that is the same in both 2-whistle and 3. Once the shot is made, in 3-whistle the T and C both signal the made basket, in 2-whistle the T gives the signal.

I'm not sure I agree with your statement about the T giving the signal on the attempt in 2-whistle. I've always been taught whoever has on-ball coverage will be the one to signal the attempt. This tells me there are two sets of eyes on the ball, and no one watching off-ball. There are times where this might happen, such as when a dribbler comes out of one area, stops in the "gray area" and shoots, and both officials happen to be watching the shot. But in most cases, I think only one official should be giving the attempt.

You may be misunderstanding me. I agree the person who's area of responsibility signals the attempt. If its the lead signalling the attempt the trail mirrors the attempt and then has the shot to signal the made. Lead should never watch the shot in 2 whistle. That is how I was taught and teach new officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman


Yes, but one official should then drop and turn and watch the rebounders while the other official retains the signal and stays with shooter.

Normally the trail will stay with it and the center will drop (essential pregame topic).

Z

I disagree. I would not drop out or have never been told to do so in this situation. Once again, the middle of the court is dual area. Depending on where the ball came from both officials can easily see the attempt. This is why areas are called a primary and a secondary.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

In a 2-whistle game, the Trail always signals a made 3-pointer. If the shot originated from the Lead's primary, then the Lead will also indicate the made 3-pointer.

So, are we agreeing or arguing?

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by SmokeEater

You may be misunderstanding me. I agree the person who's area of responsibility signals the attempt. If its the lead signalling the attempt the trail mirrors the attempt and then has the shot to signal the made. Lead should never watch the shot in 2 whistle. That is how I was taught and teach new officials. [/B]

I agree with everything you said except for the trail mirroring the attempt. Now, maybe I haven't done as much 2-whistle lately, but I always thought whoever has on-ball responsibility is the only one who gives the attempt.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by JRutledge

I disagree. I would not drop out or have never been told to do so in this situation. Once again, the middle of the court is dual area. Depending on where the ball came from both officials can easily see the attempt. This is why areas are called a primary and a secondary.

Peace

What are you disagreeing with? That 1 official should stay with the shooter & the other official go with the shot for BI/GT and rebounding?

Or you just saying it's not a problem to have 6 fingers in the air?

If that's the case how do you know who has the shooter?