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jbduke Sat Mar 11, 2006 04:39pm

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Originally posted by 26 Year Gap
A lot of Calhoun's time was spent at Northeastern, which actually won some upset games in the tournament. Put Coach K at Northeastern for a few years and see what happens.
Ah, Calhoun's been at UConn since 1986. He's been to all of two Final Fours.

By the time K had been at Duke that long, he'd been to nine.

K spent five years at Army, and was apparently impressive enough to Tom Butters to give him an opportunity at Duke.

Sure, Calhoun was very successful at Northeastern, but are you telling me that he was turning down jobs at major programs in order to stay at Northeastern? Please.

If you don't think K could have gone somewhere and built a program, you're out of your mind. Hell, once the seniors he inherited at Duke graduated after his first year, Duke was in absolutely horrible shape. Considering the league he was in, he did his own major construction job. The results of that project: since 1985, exactly one senior class has left Duke without having been to a Final Four, and that group lost by two in a regional final.

ktusk Sat Mar 11, 2006 04:46pm

Packer should never be allowed to get near a Big Ten game---all we heard today was how tired Michigan State had to be, when in fact Iowa just simply defended the crap out of them. 1 for 13 after their halftime blow! Packer should have prepared better---twice he felt he had to let fans know of how fast Trannon,the football star, was---how Haluska couldn't stay with him. Haluska won 11 track titles in high school---the 100,200, 400, and long jump his senior year. He is probably the best pure athlete in the conference---so much for Packer's insight.

refnrev Sat Mar 11, 2006 08:38pm

Packer has insight?

refnrev Sat Mar 11, 2006 08:40pm

Anyone read Dickie V's book? It really was a good one.

Dan_ref Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:04pm

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Originally posted by bebanovich
If you want to talk purely about basketball coaching ability, I'm sorry but I have never looked too long at the top programs for my ideas. Mike Krzyzewski, Dean Smith and Jim Calhoun all run (or have run) top programs but I'm not going to spend a lot of time watching their tapes for x's and o's.

Most coaches don't have the luxury of dominant athletes so I want role models who can lurk around year after year with 1 gym rat, one walk-one, 2 football players and one folding chair. Guys like Pete Caril, Bud Pressley, David Arsenault and Dick Bennett.

Not to mention Tark the Shark. NCAA D1 record of 778-202. He just...errr...stretched the rules a bit. Anybody can win with JJ Redick. But Lloyd Daniels? The man's a genius! His only problem is he looks like Uncle Festus.

The NCAA does NOT like Uncle Festus.

http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000032352/tarkanian.jpg

btw...Al "Grampa" Lewis recently passed...may his communist @ss rest in peace, God love him.

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionC...57/Lewis41.jpg

bebanovich Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:42pm

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Originally posted by jbduke


Wow. Dean Smith didn't impress you with tactics and strategy. Just...wow.

Seriously. That may be more ridiculous than putting Calhoun on the same plane as Dean and K.

Dean definitely had his day as an innovator but much of what he did still required superior athletes. I think the 4-corners is a great example. Try running some clock using anything resembling the 4-corners when your athletes are not equal to superior. I have used and sometimes adapted his Point Zone ideas with a fair amount of success.

I have seen a lot of mediocre teams adapt NC strategies and they are . . . well, mediocre teams. No knock against Dean as his teams never had mediocre athletes.

I attended one of his coaching clinics when I was a pup and it was about the biggest waste of school money I could imagine. Alternatively, around the same time, I spent about 30 minutes casually talking with a disciple of Dick Bennett and it has provided me with a career's-worth of perspective.

I'll let others debate K v. Calhoun v. Boeheim, etc. because my public school teams will really never resemble their teams in terms of relative athletic dominance and I won't borrow much from them in terms of x's and o's. I will admit that Dean is in another class but he has never been much of a mentor for me either. I'm not satisfied with mediocrity even when my athletes are mediocre so I'm generally not content to copy coaches who have strategized for top athletes.

It's hard to separate recruiting and all of the other elements of college coaching but I still use teams like Wisconsin-Green Bay and Princeton as a measuring stick - could K, Calhoun, Boeheim or Dean (with the possible exception of a small window when he may have had a trick or two up his sleeve) have coached them to the big dance? I have never seen evidence convincing me that they could have. But then they've never really had to do that either.

BktBallRef Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:13pm

LOL!
 
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Not to mention Tark the Shark. NCAA D1 record of 778-202. He just...errr...stretched the rules a bit. Anybody can win with JJ Redick. But Lloyd Daniels? The man's a genius! His only problem is he looks like Uncle Festus.

The NCAA does NOT like Uncle Festus.

http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000032352/tarkanian.jpg

Do you mean Uncle FESTER...

http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams04/thumbs/smg097b.jpg

...or Uncle FESTUS? :D

http://www.tvland.com/shows/gunsmoke...ws/actpic4.jpg

Dan_ref Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:18pm


Fester, Festus, whatever.


(I got the Al Lewis part right, didn't I??)

M&M Guy Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:22pm

Re: LOL!
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Not to mention Tark the Shark. NCAA D1 record of 778-202. He just...errr...stretched the rules a bit. Anybody can win with JJ Redick. But Lloyd Daniels? The man's a genius! His only problem is he looks like Uncle Festus.

The NCAA does NOT like Uncle Festus.

http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000032352/tarkanian.jpg

Do you mean Uncle FESTER...

http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams04/thumbs/smg097b.jpg

...or Uncle FESTUS? :D

http://www.tvland.com/shows/gunsmoke...ws/actpic4.jpg

Damn, Mr. Annoying Spelling Guy's capable intern beat me to it! Good job, TH!

:D

Dan_ref Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:31pm

Re: Re: LOL!
 
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Not to mention Tark the Shark. NCAA D1 record of 778-202. He just...errr...stretched the rules a bit. Anybody can win with JJ Redick. But Lloyd Daniels? The man's a genius! His only problem is he looks like Uncle Festus.

The NCAA does NOT like Uncle Festus.

http://www.nndb.com/people/448/000032352/tarkanian.jpg

Do you mean Uncle FESTER...

http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams04/thumbs/smg097b.jpg

...or Uncle FESTUS? :D

http://www.tvland.com/shows/gunsmoke...ws/actpic4.jpg

Damn, Mr. Annoying Spelling Guy's capable intern beat me to it! Good job, TH!

:D

Screw you too, Tonto.

:p:

M&M Guy Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:36pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Screw you too, Tonto.

:p

I wouldn't mess with this horse, if I were you.

http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/newmain2.GIF

BktBallRef Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:36pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Fester, Festus, whatever.


(I got the Al Lewis part right, didn't I??)

LOL!!! NO!!!

Grampa (Al Lewis) was on "The Munsters!"

Uncle Fester was on "The Addams Family!"

You ****ed up all the way around!! :D

Dan_ref Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:44pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Fester, Festus, whatever.


(I got the Al Lewis part right, didn't I??)

LOL!!! NO!!!

Grampa (Al Lewis) was on "The Munsters!"

Uncle Fester was on "The Addams Family!"

You ****ed up all the way around!! :D

No no, I know where Al Lewis made his money.

That communist b@stard, God love him.

btw... Festus recently bought the farm too ya know.

Dan_ref Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:46pm

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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Screw you too, Tonto.

:p

I wouldn't mess with this horse, if I were you.

http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/newmain2.GIF

Oh yeah, didn't they star in that Brokeback Mountain movie?

:eek:

M&M Guy Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:53pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Screw you too, Tonto.

:p

I wouldn't mess with this horse, if I were you.

http://www.endeavorcomics.com/largent/newmain2.GIF

Oh yeah, didn't they star in that Brokeback Mountain movie?

:eek:

Yabut, as you can see in this picture, in the old days they only showed the action from the waist up...

(It's Sat. night and I'm at home discussing Brokeback Mtn. with another guy on the internet...sigh...I really need to get a life.)


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