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Dan_ref Wed Jun 13, 2001 04:10pm
Re: OH MY GOD!
 
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Originally posted by Oz Referee
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by Oz Referee
Ahah, in Australia we refer to it as goaltending.

So what is the big deal with calling BI? I take it that it is fairly rare?
While in a weak moment a few years ago, I was watching basketball at the Olympics where they use FEEBLE, er sorry, FIBA rules. I remember one of the announcers mentioning that, under those rules, there was no such thing as offensive basket interference. That is, if a shot bounced up off the rim above the basket, an offensive player could touch it to put it in even if the ball was still in the cylinder.

OZ, is this still the case? I'm not criticizing, just curious.
<B>HOLD THE PHONE - YOU WERE WATCHING FEEBLE BASKETBALL!</B> :)

The rule has actually recently been changed. Yes, both the offense and the defense can touch the ball once it has come off the ring, even if it is above the ring. However, a offensive basket interference has been added, but in FIBA's case, this applies to grabbing the ring or net, or banging the backboard in an attempt to make it sway, so as to increase the chances of the ball going in. It is reasonably rare, but I have called it once so far this year.

Just to clarify, I take it then that alley-oops and tip in dunks are basically illegal due to BI?

Feebely yours,
Alley oops are BI when the ooper catches the ball in the
cylinder (space above the rim). By tip in dunks you mean
the ball is resting or rolling on the rim when the tipper
dunks it? If yes, this is BI (although I'll admit that not
every one would to take back a monster dunk because of BI).
For old-fashioned, run of the mill dunks, there's an
exception in the BI rule that allows the dunker to carry the
ball into the cylinder, whether he makes the dunk or not.

mick Wed Jun 13, 2001 04:11pm
tips
 
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Originally posted by Oz Referee
Just to clarify, I take it then that ... tip in dunks are basically illegal due to BI?
Oz Ref,
If they are on the rim, or in the cylinder, tip dunks are illegal by definition, but not necessarily by actual practice.
Most of the alley-oops are passes that are received <u>outside</u> the cylinder, and they are, therefore, mostly legal. ;)
mick

Oz Referee Wed Jun 13, 2001 04:20pm
Thank you both for clarifying the rule. I appreciate it.

rainmaker Wed Jun 13, 2001 09:50pm
Re: Ohhhh
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
Ahah, in Australia we refer to it as goaltending.

So what is the big deal with calling BI? I take it that it is fairly rare?
As Brian points out it's unheard of until the higher levels. I have been doing a LOT of 6th grade girls who don't get much play above the rim! But in anticipation of the play (not the call) I had been studying up on Goaltending and Basket Interference, JUST IN CASE. And it felt great to be right. This kid actually reached up through the basket and tipped the ball out of the cylinder, although I'm not sure that was his intention. But it was a great call, and it felt so good to explain it loudly to everyone, and then sell it, and to KNOW I was right!! You may guess that doesn't happen every day to me...

Dan_ref Wed Jun 13, 2001 10:08pm
Re: Re: Ohhhh
 
Quote:
Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
Ahah, in Australia we refer to it as goaltending.

So what is the big deal with calling BI? I take it that it is fairly rare?
As Brian points out it's unheard of until the higher levels. I have been doing a LOT of 6th grade girls who don't get much play above the rim! But in anticipation of the play (not the call) I had been studying up on Goaltending and Basket Interference, JUST IN CASE. And it felt great to be right. This kid actually reached up through the basket and tipped the ball out of the cylinder, although I'm not sure that was his intention. But it was a great call, and it felt so good to explain it loudly to everyone, and then sell it, and to KNOW I was right!! You may guess that doesn't happen every day to me...
You be the man! Uhm, the woman, uhm the person, well, uhm, well you know. Great job!

BktBallRef Wed Jun 13, 2001 10:34pm
Re: Re: Re: Ohhhh
 
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

You be the man! Uhm, the woman, uhm the person, well, uhm, well you know. Great job!
How 'bout "You go girl!" :D

Oz Referee Thu Jun 14, 2001 04:39am
One more question...
 
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers

Brian Watson Thu Jun 14, 2001 07:46am
Re: One more question...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers
If the ball has not touched the rim, it would be goaltending.

Rain - Pay attention at those lower levels, I actually had one in an 8th grade boys game last year. Took me by surprise because I never expected it to happen.

Dan_ref Thu Jun 14, 2001 09:12am
Re: One more question...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers
It is BI if the player reaches through the basket and
touches the ball before it enters the cylinder (I think
this is what Juulie had). It is BI if the player touches
the ball in the cylinder. It is BI if the player touches
any part of the basket (net included) while the ball is on
the rim or going through the basket. It is GT if the ball
is touched on its downward path, and has a chance of going in and is a tip or try (BI does not have this last
requirement). No signal for BI or GT other than "count it"
(2 or 3) or "no basket".

You can view the NCAA rules here. Look for 4.4 and 4.31.
I am certain the NFHS rules are identical.


http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...rules_book.pdf

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/ill_basketball/2001/

Dan_ref Thu Jun 14, 2001 09:16am
Re: Re: One more question...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Brian Watson
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers
If the ball has not touched the rim, it would be goaltending.

Rain - Pay attention at those lower levels, I actually had one in an 8th grade boys game last year. Took me by surprise because I never expected it to happen.
Look at her post again. Hand thru the bottom of the rim
touching the ball is BI in or out of the cylinder.
She did good!

Brian Watson Thu Jun 14, 2001 09:37am
Re: Re: Re: One more question...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers
If the ball has not touched the rim, it would be goaltending.

Rain - Pay attention at those lower levels, I actually had one in an 8th grade boys game last year. Took me by surprise because I never expected it to happen.
Look at her post again. Hand thru the bottom of the rim
touching the ball is BI in or out of the cylinder.
She did good!
I took his question as a player touches the ball on its downward path while it is above the rim. This would be goaltending, until it hits the rim. I don't think he was talking about reaching through the bottom of the ring.

Dan_ref Thu Jun 14, 2001 09:59am
Re: Re: Re: Re: One more question...
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Brian Watson
Quote:
Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:
Originally posted by Brian Watson
Quote:
Originally posted by Oz Referee
So if a player takes a shot, the ball is above the level of the ring, on its downward flight is it goaltending or BI?

I would assume that it is goaltending, as the basket per se has not been interfered with.

Also, is there any difference in the call? I.e. are the signals the same?

Cheers
If the ball has not touched the rim, it would be goaltending.

Rain - Pay attention at those lower levels, I actually had one in an 8th grade boys game last year. Took me by surprise because I never expected it to happen.
Look at her post again. Hand thru the bottom of the rim
touching the ball is BI in or out of the cylinder.
She did good!
I took his question as a player touches the ball on its downward path while it is above the rim. This would be goaltending, until it hits the rim. I don't think he was talking about reaching through the bottom of the ring.
Oops, maybe we got some crossed wires here. I thought you
said that Juulie's call should have been GT, not BI.


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