Quirky Rules Review

[Ref Daddy]

Quick late season teaser... and I bet todays partner a game check on the answers.

1) T/F: 5 second count on the throw in. The player has 5 seconds to RELEASE the ball.

2) T/F: Ten second backcourt count. The team has 10 seconds to have the team control ESTABLISHED in front count.

3) T/F: Free throw shooter has 10 seconds to HIT THE RIM (or make it) with the ball

4) T/F: Coach with a T has the seat belt rule. That coach CANNOT stand during free throws, throw ins or other events even though the clock is not running.

5) T/F You cannot start a game without 1 timekeeper and 1 scorekeeper.

6) T/F the teams coach must be an adult

(Assume NFHS)

[JugglingReferee]

1. True.

2. True. Edit: at mick's advice, I re-visited this q and I just can't see how it should be false. Sorry.

3. False - 10s to release.

4. (Originally False.) Edit: Having the phrase 'or other events' could include a TO, so the answer is two-fold.

5. As different people? Hmm...

6. Hmmm....

[Edited by JugglingReferee on Feb 4th, 2006 at 11:41 PM]

[mick]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
2. True.

JugglingReferee,
I know you misread this.
mick

Edit:
And after re-reading your answer, I see that your answer is not incorrect. I think that true and false, with related determinations, both work.
I think it must be a Fed question.
mick

[Edited by mick on Feb 5th, 2006 at 10:15 AM]

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy
Quick late season teaser... and I bet todays partner a game check on the answers.

1) T/F: 5 second count on the throw in. The player has 5 seconds to RELEASE the ball.

2) T/F: Ten second backcourt count. The team has 10 seconds to have the team control ESTABLISHED in front count.

3) T/F: Free throw shooter has 10 seconds to HIT THE RIM (or make it) with the ball

4) T/F: Coach with a T has the seat belt rule. That coach CANNOT stand during free throws, throw ins or other events even though the clock is not running.

5) T/F You cannot start a game without 1 timekeeper and 1 scorekeeper.

6) T/F the teams coach must be an adult

(Assume NFHS)

Does the English language term 'within' include the endpoints?

That is to say, when we say 'within 5 seconds', do we mean 'at any time, howsoever close, but before we get to 5'? Or do we mean 'at any time, howsoever close, including 5'?

1. ? On a throw-in, the ball must be released within 5 seconds.

2. False. Team A may not be in continuous control of a ball which is in the backcourt (has backcourt location) for 10 seconds.

3. ? On a free throw, the ball must be released within 10 seconds.

4. True. The belted coach can only stand during charged time-outs and to request service from the table, or to remove players from the game . . . I think.

5. Glug.

6. Where I officiate, for high school contests, not only must it be an adult, by state regulation, it must be an adult authorized by the principal or athletic director or their authorized surrogate.

[Back In The Saddle]

2. What on earth does ESTABLISHED mean? I can find mention of the AP arrow being established, establishing legal guarding position and establishing a pivot foot. But I just can't find anything about being established in front court.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
2. What on earth does ESTABLISHED mean? I can find mention of the AP arrow being established, establishing legal guarding position and establishing a pivot foot. But I just can't find anything about being established in front court.

ESTABLISHED in this question refers to the ball being in Team control in front court - as opposed to a ball in flight from back court, towards front court on the count of "10".

[Nevadaref]

The other questions have already been nit picked by others, so I will only concern myself with #2. I'm going to have to say false because the team could have the ball in the backcourt for 7 seconds, take a time-out, and then come back and have it for another 7 seconds without violating.

Of course, that wasn't your intent, but your wording does allow this reading.

[FrankHtown]

re: #2... Team Control does not need to be established, just the ball needs to gain front court status. For example A1 passes from the backcourt into the front court. Once the ball hits the floor, or a player, whether or not A gains control, the count stops.

So, I think the answer is false.

[mick]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
re: #2... Team Control does not need to be established, just the ball needs to gain front court status. For example A1 passes from the backcourt into the front court. Once the ball hits the floor, or a player, whether or not A gains control, the count stops.

So, I think the answer is false.

Ref Daddy- "2) T/F: Ten second backcourt count. The team has 10 seconds to have the team control ESTABLISHED in front count."

Your thought process was the same as mine, but...

As JugglingReferee implied, if the ball is in the front court on this play then Team control, though not player control, must, de facto, exist in the front court.

Without Team control in the front court, the 10 second count contiues.
mick

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy
Quick late season teaser... and I bet todays partner a game check on the answers.

1) T/F: 5 second count on the throw in. The player has 5 seconds to RELEASE the ball.

FALSE: NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's
TRUE: FIBA and NBA/WNBA


2) T/F: Ten second backcourt count. The team has 10 seconds to have the team control ESTABLISHED in front count.

TRUE: NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's


3) T/F: Free throw shooter has 10 seconds to HIT THE RIM (or make it) with the ball.

FALSE: NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's


4) T/F: Coach with a T has the seat belt rule. That coach CANNOT stand during free throws, throw ins or other events even though the clock is not running.

TRUE: NFHS

FALSE: NCAA Men's/Women's, FIBA, and NBA/WNBA


5) T/F You cannot start a game without 1 timekeeper and 1 scorekeeper.

Is this a trick question?


6) T/F The teams coach must be an adult.

I am not sure.


(Assume NFHS) And I did not see this disclaimer until I had read the final question.

MTD, Sr.

[mick]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

2) T/F: Ten second backcourt count. The team has 10 seconds to have the team control ESTABLISHED in front count.

TRUE: NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's

Women's ?

[FrankHtown]

Re; #2 ....Damm I fell for it again. Another "How many angels fit on the head of a pin?" question.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.


1) T/F: 5 second count on the throw in. The player has 5 seconds to RELEASE the ball.

FALSE: NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's
TRUE: FIBA and NBA/WNBA


MTD, Sr.

How is this false for NFHS or NCAA? The throwin count stops on the release in all of them.