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----------------------------------------------------------- Held ball. Possession arrow is pointing toward Team A's basket. Official hands the ball to A1 for the throw-in. B1 reaches across the end-line as he is trying to defend the throw-in. Official blows whistle and warns Team B for crossing the vertical plane on the throw-in. The warning is recorded in the score book. Official starts the throw-in again. Throw-in is completed. Official does NOT change the Possession arrow. Is the official correct ------------------------------------------------------------ the arrow should have been changed as soon as the ball was at the disposal of the inbounder... shouldn't it? |
The arrow is changed when ANY player inbounds touches the ball to constitute a "Live Ball".
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yes official is correct...rule 9-2-11, it is now a violation instead of Alt. poss throw in
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Held ball.
Possession arrow is pointing toward Team A's basket. Official hands the ball to A1 for the throw-in. B1 reaches across the end-line as he is trying to defend the throw-in. Official blows whistle and warns Team B for crossing the vertical plane on the throw-in. The warning is recorded in the score book. Official starts the throw-in again. Throw-in is completed. Official does NOT change the Possession arrow. Is the official correct The throw-in Violation by B has NO affect on the AP arrow. After the violation is recorded in the book, the A teams AP throw-in is COMPLETED. As soon as the the throw in is COMPLETED the AP arrow goes to Team B. |
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FishinRef: The official was correct in not reversing the AP Arrow. When B1 reached through the plane he committed a throw-in violation; See NFHS R9-S2-A11. Since in this play Team B had not previously received an official team warning, the penalty for B1's violation is that a team warning is issued to Team B and Team A receives a throw-in. This new throw-in is not an AP Throw-in but is part of the penalty for B1's violation. The AP Arrow is not reversed because Team A's AP Throw-in never ended because of B1's violation; see NFHS R4-S42-A5 for the definition of when a throw-in ends. The next time a jump ball situation occurs, Team A will receive the ball for a AP Throw-in. MTD, Sr. |
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So if we have an AP throw-in, and A1 has the ball OOB for the throw-in, the arrow is NOT changed if a foul is committed (by either team) before the throw-in is complete. The arrow is also NOT changed if a violation is committed by the defense. The arrow IS changed if a throw-in violation is committed by the inbounding team. |
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By rule when does the arrow change on a throw in?
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"The AP arrow is switched when the AP throw-in is complete (is touched by a player inbounds or OOB) or when a throw-in violation is committed." Hope it's clearer this time. ;) |
Sorry Chuck didnt see your post.
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Mark & Chuck, after some serious investigation into my rule book, I now understand your interpretation on this scenario. I stand corrected, thanks for the lesson.
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Now I'm really confused.
Isn't there another thread just like this one? Just when I thought I learned something, I find a new thread with a different answer. Chuck Elias, I read you definition of when an A.P. throw-in is complete. What is that part in the parenthesis? Is that part of the rule or a part that you added? Could you please site the rule so that I can look it up in the book? Could this be a difference between NFHS and NCAA rules? thanks. |
Via the aforementioned miracle of copy and paste, here you go, Time2Ref:
"The direction of the possession arrow is reversed immediately after an alternating-possession throw-in ends. An alternating-possession throw-in ends when the throw-in ends or when the throw-in team violates." (NFHS 6-4-4) "The throw-in ends when the passed ball touches, or is touched by, an inbounds player other than the thrower." (NFHS 4-42-5) |
That's the rule I've been looking for. (NFHS 4.42.5) Thanks. (Yea! I did learn something) Please accept my humble appology for wasting forum space. |
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