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Re: Re: that's good stuff!

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I called one in the first week of January. First one I've called in at least two seasons. Not that I won't call it, but at the varsity level most players know to keep moving.

I had my first one of the season on Monday. HS boys. Kid was floating up and down from the block to the elbow, but never actually getting out of the lane. He was technically in the lane for about 10 seconds, I would guess, but only his heels or one foot at a time. Just never completely cleared.

He finally came back down to the low post, flashed to the middle of the lane, caught a pass, pivoted, looked at the basket, and pivoted away from the basket. Tweet!

The one thing I really look

for on three seconds is the kid, low in the lane from the box up to the next hash, who is on the WEAK side. He typically isn't in the immediate play or action. However, on a shot, or, as the ball swings, if he hasn't cleared, he is in perfect spot for a rebound or a seal. I call this 3 seconds more than all others combined. However, I bet I haven't called it more than 3 times this entire season.

Re: Re: Re: that's good stuff!

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I called one in the first week of January. First one I've called in at least two seasons. Not that I won't call it, but at the varsity level most players know to keep moving.

I had my first one of the season on Monday. HS boys. Kid was floating up and down from the block to the elbow, but never actually getting out of the lane. He was technically in the lane for about 10 seconds, I would guess, but only his heels or one foot at a time. Just never completely cleared.

He finally came back down to the low post, flashed to the middle of the lane, caught a pass, pivoted, looked at the basket, and pivoted away from the basket. Tweet!

I actually called a three seconds the other night also, kid moved into the lane and stayed there pivot, pivot, pivot, and finally passed the ball out, but stayed in the lane to get rebounding position.

Tweet!

But, calling game last night and one of my partners called it at least four times and unnecessarily.

Twice the ball was in the air, tweet! No basket three seconds, that's poor officiating.

Thanks
David

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Originally posted by rainmaker
This call is probably the most varied from location to location, and from level to level.

The rule is that a player on the team with team control of the ball in the frontcourt may be in the free throw lane up to 3 seconds. The lane includes the free throw area, EXCEPT for the half-circle at the top where the ft shooter stands.

A player who is in the lane less than three seconds and then receives the ball and is jockeying for a shot is allowed some leeway, but she'll get the whistle if she passes the ball out. Furthermore, the player who thus receives the ball may get leeway, but her teammate also in the lane does not.

Also, there used to be a rule that the count was suspended if there was an interrupted dribble but that rule was changed a year or two ago.

Lastly, if a player from the team with control is trying to clear the lane, but there's a defender blocking her way, the call should not be made, unless she changes her mind, and uses her position in the key for an advantage.

Note that the ball must be in team control, and must have frontcourt status. So the entire time that the ball is coming up court from under the opponent's basket and is in the backcourt, the count doesn't start. Also, once a shot leaves the hand, there's no team control, so there can be no 3 seconds. Most parents get confused on this point. If there's a shot, miss, rebound, shot, miss, rebound, etc, all ten players can be in the lane for as long as it takes for the ball to either go into the basket or someone to get team control again.

In practice, at the varsity and jv level of high school ball, a lot of refs don't call it until there's a really blatant advantage. So if someone's just standing there, picking her nose, with one foot in the lane, and one out, it won't be called, until all of a sudden she receives a pass (open shot) or is used as a screen for a teammate to get an open shot.

Also, a lot of refs won't call a 3 second call on someone's who's at the top of the lane and has an inch or two of shoe in the "restricted area", but isn't playing into the lane.

I hope this helps.

" Furthermore, the player who thus receives the ball may get leeway, but her teammate also in the lane does not."

9-7-3 says: " . . . Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than 3 seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal." There is reference to 9-7-3 in the current Casebook.

It is my impression that, in practice, officials do not enforce the 3 second rule against what I will term 'secondary' players, though clearly 9-7-3 does not mandate this.

That is, if A1 and A2 are both in the lane for less than 3 seconds and A1 receives the ball and immediately begins to dribble in to attempt a shot, the allowance that is made extends to A2.