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M&M Guy Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:40am

Hey, Chuck, how'd you find that? Is the search feature working again?! :D

ChuckElias Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:48am

Lucky hit on google.

Jimgolf Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:56pm

Actually, threeseconds has become a popular name for both boys and girls, and the fans are just yelling their child's name.

NothernVA_Ump Tue Jan 31, 2006 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by RefNVa
4,5 & 6 seconds yes, but I haven't called "3 seconds" in years! :P
I call 3 seconds almost every game. In the youth developmental leagues the house rules are 5 seconds in the lane.

Back In The Saddle Tue Jan 31, 2006 02:04pm

I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?

JCrow Tue Jan 31, 2006 02:07pm

Excellent!

M&M Guy Tue Jan 31, 2006 03:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?

Hmmm...I'm kind of on your side on this one. It makes it obvious that this player has now gained the advantage by being in there too long, because they are ready to accept that pass. I would be interested in hearing that clinician's reasoning behind his statement.

My only pet peeve with the call is the official who is not paying attention to the whole play, and calling 3-seconds while a shot is in the air, and worse yet, having to wave off a made basket after the call. Perhaps that has something to do with his reasoning; make the call before that specific play in the post (what if it's an alley-oop), or before the shot goes up, to avoid those kind of problems.

assignmentmaker Tue Jan 31, 2006 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?

I think that advantage/disadvantage is often seriously misapplied in the matter of 3-seconds. It is a major league advantage just being in the lane - the defense has to guard you.

blindzebra Tue Jan 31, 2006 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?

I think that advantage/disadvantage is often seriously misapplied in the matter of 3-seconds. It is a major league advantage just being in the lane - the defense has to guard you.

And the defense doesn't have to guard you if you are 6 feet farther East or West?:rolleyes:

johnny1784 Tue Jan 31, 2006 05:33pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?


It should be applied all the time, yet take in to account when a player is making an attempt to leave the lane, dribbles in, or attempts a shot and or you have used previous verbiage to warn the culprit he/she before the 3 second count expired.

The advantage gained by the offense alters the defense to defend differently when the offensive player camps inside the free-throw lanes.



assignmentmaker Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:

Originally posted by assignmentmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
I'm still pondering this one. I believe that 3 seconds is a useful tool, but should be applied judiciously. In camp this last summer I had a 3 seconds call when the kid had been there for 5+ seconds, but didn't blow the whistle until an entry pass was headed his way (i.e., until he had gained an obvious advantage by being there). The clinician chastised the call because the pass was on the way there when I made it. He would prefer to see the call made before the offender gets involved in any action, or not at all.

What are your thoughts on this?

I think that advantage/disadvantage is often seriously misapplied in the matter of 3-seconds. It is a major league advantage just being in the lane - the defense has to guard you.

And the defense doesn't have to guard you if you are 6 feet farther East or West?:rolleyes:

Strategically, overall, if there's a player in the lane - let's say 3 feet from the hoop - the imperative to guard that player is significantly higher than it is if that player is father from the basket. Field goal percentage is pretty much proportional the length of the shot - with some allowance for the fact that modern players don't shoot very well in the entire midrange.

David B Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:31am

that's good stuff!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
From the OfficialForum.com archives (originally aired 4/2/02):

If your 3-second count is a little long, don't worry about it. You should count 3-seconds like this:

One.

Man, am I hungry. I could go for a nice slice right now. Or maybe Slider will send me a Krispy Kreme. Mmmmmmm. Doughnuts. Man, that Homer Simpson cracks me up. I wonder what it's really like to work in a nuclear power plant. . .

Two.

Is that cheerleader looking at me? I think she's looking at me!! Nope. Darn, she's looking at the point guard camped in the lane. Camped in the lane? Oh, yeah. . . Where was I?

Two-and-a-half.

"Blue. Clear the lane!"

Yawn. Scratch. Adjust pants.

"Blue! Get outta there!"

WWMTDSD? (What would Mark T. DeNucci, Sr do?)

Doggone it!!

Three!! TWEET!

Now we're talking ... I like that!

thansk
David

RefRich Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:45pm

You mean there is a 3 second violation!

I agree with the Advantage/Disadvantage call. Tell them to get out. Pick your nose. If there is no advantage being made, then why in the world is this a violation.

johnny1784 Tue Feb 07, 2006 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by RefRich
You mean there is a 3 second violation!

I agree with the Advantage/Disadvantage call. Tell them to get out. Pick your nose. If there is no advantage being made, then why in the world is this a violation.

Because it is and it can be an advantage for the offense.


Rich Wed Feb 08, 2006 01:32am

Re: that's good stuff!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by David B
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
From the OfficialForum.com archives (originally aired 4/2/02):

If your 3-second count is a little long, don't worry about it. You should count 3-seconds like this:

One.

Man, am I hungry. I could go for a nice slice right now. Or maybe Slider will send me a Krispy Kreme. Mmmmmmm. Doughnuts. Man, that Homer Simpson cracks me up. I wonder what it's really like to work in a nuclear power plant. . .

Two.

Is that cheerleader looking at me? I think she's looking at me!! Nope. Darn, she's looking at the point guard camped in the lane. Camped in the lane? Oh, yeah. . . Where was I?

Two-and-a-half.

"Blue. Clear the lane!"

Yawn. Scratch. Adjust pants.

"Blue! Get outta there!"

WWMTDSD? (What would Mark T. DeNucci, Sr do?)

Doggone it!!

Three!! TWEET!

Now we're talking ... I like that!

thansk
David

I called one in the first week of January. First one I've called in at least two seasons. Not that I won't call it, but at the varsity level most players know to keep moving.


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