Open Palm, lost art? - Page 2

ace · #16 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 12:39am

You have to be careful because Mac Chauvin still enforces the OLD 3 person mechanics with a SLOT, non-rotating center official. Still go opposite. The C and T do not rotate. Its the responsiblity of the Lead to end back up on the correct side. Read the LHSAA 3 person manual. Also ask our friend Brandan, we've talked about this on several occasions.

BktBallRef · #17 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 12:58am

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Let me tell you a little story, lmeadski. Last year, at the Louisiana State Finals, a crew of officials were using college mechanics. Mac Chauvin, the LHSAA Director of Officials, replaced the entire crew at halftime with the crew that was scheduled to work the next game.

That's stupid - how can you replace a crew in the middle of the game, a state finals even? The crew should have already been observed in previous postseason games and been penalized by not given a final for failure to use NFHS mechanics.

You're pretty naive. Not all officials who work the state finals are seen by the state director prior to getting to the game. In many states, they are recommneded by the local booking agent/assignor. When I worked state three years ago, we were seen at a game where the deputy executive director came to a game where a retired coach was honored between games. But that doesn't always happen.

While these particular officials were probably outstanding officials, they were also college officials who didn't use NFHS mechanics. And they were replaced. I'm betting they will never have that situation again, in Louisiana. I believe the point was made.

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As I have stated, all of the state officials I have ever met or watched use NFHS mechanics.

Congratulations. You must live in the perfect world.

Snake~eyes · #18 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 01:10am

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Let me tell you a little story, lmeadski. Last year, at the Louisiana State Finals, a crew of officials were using college mechanics. Mac Chauvin, the LHSAA Director of Officials, replaced the entire crew at halftime with the crew that was scheduled to work the next game.

That's stupid - how can you replace a crew in the middle of the game, a state finals even? The crew should have already been observed in previous postseason games and been penalized by not given a final for failure to use NFHS mechanics.

You're pretty naive. Not all officials who work the state finals are seen by the state director prior to getting to the game. In many states, they are recommneded by the local booking agent/assignor. When I worked state three years ago, we were seen at a game where the deputy executive director came to a game where a retired coach was honored between games. But that doesn't always happen.

While these particular officials were probably outstanding officials, they were also college officials who didn't use NFHS mechanics. And they were replaced. I'm betting they will never have that situation again, in Louisiana. I believe the point was made.

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As I have stated, all of the state officials I have ever met or watched use NFHS mechanics.

Congratulations. You must live in the perfect world.

No need for the attitude. I'm not naive, in my state we have state observers. Booking agent/assignor sends a list of officials he think should work the state games. Then the state association picks the officials and puts together the crews.

I just find it pretty ridiculous to replace a whole crew in the middle of a game. That couldn't look good at all.

BktBallRef · #19 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 01:24am

No, it may not have looked good but it damn sure made a point. "You'll do it my way or you won't work."

Rich · #20 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 09:28am

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Originally posted by ace
You have to be careful because Mac Chauvin still enforces the OLD 3 person mechanics with a SLOT, non-rotating center official. Still go opposite. The C and T do not rotate. Its the responsiblity of the Lead to end back up on the correct side. Read the LHSAA 3 person manual. Also ask our friend Brandan, we've talked about this on several occasions.

Thank goodness I don't live in a state with THAT idiot running things. At least we use proper 3-person mechanics, not something over 10 years old.

Junker · #21 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 10:13am

I was taught (as many were) to concentrate on mechanics early and keep using them. I'm a firm believer in using the fist or the open hand to stop the clock. Going straight to the mechanic can cause problems. Last week there was a thread stating that there were 3 blarges called in NCAA DI games. If the proper mechanic of stopping the clock with a fist were used, these calls shouldn't happen. The NCAA guys are great officials and I have tons of respect for them, but I'd like to see the fist and open hand used more.

JRutledge · #22 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 11:29am

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Originally posted by Junker
I was taught (as many were) to concentrate on mechanics early and keep using them. I'm a firm believer in using the fist or the open hand to stop the clock. Going straight to the mechanic can cause problems. Last week there was a thread stating that there were 3 blarges called in NCAA DI games. If the proper mechanic of stopping the clock with a fist were used, these calls shouldn't happen. The NCAA guys are great officials and I have tons of respect for them, but I'd like to see the fist and open hand used more.

I do not think that the blarges are not a direct result of not using that mechanic. Blarges happen because officials are in a hurry and not paying attention to there fellow officials. I have worked HS games where both me and my partner used the stop clock signal and still called two different things. Some of this is also happens because officials are not following a set procedure to prevent this from happening. For example who gets the call when a player dribbles to the basket?

Peace

BktBallRef · #23 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 11:38am

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I was taught (as many were) to concentrate on mechanics early and keep using them. I'm a firm believer in using the fist or the open hand to stop the clock. Going straight to the mechanic can cause problems. Last week there was a thread stating that there were 3 blarges called in NCAA DI games. If the proper mechanic of stopping the clock with a fist were used, these calls shouldn't happen. The NCAA guys are great officials and I have tons of respect for them, but I'd like to see the fist and open hand used more.

Exactly. Stopping the clock forces officials to slow down. Officials who don't stop the clock definitely have more blarges. I've never seen a blarge when both officials stopped the clock.

ChuckElias · #24 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 16, 2006, 11:40am

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I just find it pretty ridiculous to replace a whole crew in the middle of a game. That couldn't look good at all.

I agree. We're not talking about calling a good game; we're talking about using correct signals. And I don't even care about how it looks. What do we say in pre-game? Let's be consistent from beginning to end. Well, good luck with that now!

I'm sorry if this offends anybody who knows that guy personally, but that is an inexcusable display of muscle for no reason. That's like calling a flagrant T when the coach asks you, "Where's the ball being put in play?"