technical foul question

hooper · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 04:20pm

I'm a rec level coach and fledgling referee. What exactly do you assess a technical foul for... or put in a different way - What do you let coaches say and not say?

Is it foul language, volume, frequency of comments, all, none?

Thanks!

Chess Ref · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 04:46pm

Someone on this board told me to use the three P's.

If it's profane, persistent or personal....

Profane or personal ones seem to be the easiest to deal with. personally it is the persistent ones that are a little harder to deal with.

Jurassic Referee · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 04:49pm

Or the fourth "P"...

If the coach pisses you off.....

hooper · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 05:22pm

Thanks! So for persistent... is that persistent complaining?

CaliOne · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 05:28pm

A wise man once said, "If you go home after the game and think, 'I should have given out a T,' YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A T."

hooper · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 05:38pm

I'm new to officiating, but my inclination is to call technicals on any coach that sets a bad example for her/his team (questioning calls, complaining, constantly yelling and persistently giving instruction at every step - pivot! pass! shoot!). My feeling is that many coaches treat rec ball like it's a matter of life and death, which puts a lot of pressure on the kids and makes the experience unpleasurable.

Having said that (I have not given any Ts yet), I cannot give a T to a coach for yelling instructions to his/her team or just for being crazy howler monkey.

I'm trying to find the line. How many calls can a coach question? Do you give a T to a kid for repeatedly questioning calls?

Chess Ref · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 05:39pm

yes. It is referring to persistent complaining.

CaliOne · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 11, 2006, 05:46pm

You will learn as you work with more experienced partners. Watch them and incorporate parts of how they do things if it works for you. Also, you can watch games where more experienced officials are working.

crazy voyager · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 12, 2006, 03:23am

Quote:

A wise man once said, "If you go home after the game and think, 'I should have given out a T,' YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A T."

what if you go home and thinks "I should have given to more T's and an unsporting (on the same team)"
I did that once, but the ref (I was U and gave a T in the 8th minute 1Q, and he deserved it) was more like "warn them once, then T em up" so she said "I'll take care of it" and warned a guy 8 times (with my 2 that's 10 total then) I looked at her almost saying, "enough is enough, T him" she didn't do anything bbut saying "stop it, I'll hand out a T soon I mean it", she warned another 4 times- I gave up

The unsporting was a clear push straight in the back, open in the field, nobody really reacted when the call game, but I never made it unsporting, I think I should now really, the T's I can live with, but that could have been dangerous.

Always something to learn from though

JCrow · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 12, 2006, 08:00am

I think Chess Ref's advice is right on target with the 3 P's. Definitely, put a stop to the "persistant" complaining. I've seen this contaminate the attitutde of the kids countless times. They start to feel that they are getting cheated and then they go "haywire" on you. I've gone to the point of stopping the game and bringing both Coaches over to the Table and warning them to knock off the constant comaplining for the rest of the contest.