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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 10:57am
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I am suffering from brain lock and need some help here.

1. Jump ball to start the game. Clock should start when someone other than the jumpers touch the ball ?

2. GJV . Under the basket player A goes up for shot, feet never leave the ground, Player B temporarily ,like less than 1 second,puts a hand on the ball, Player than reloads and partner calls a jump ball. I no called it because her feet never left the ground and the block was more of a touch. Is my thinking a no call correct ?
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:10am
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1) Yes

2) I got no call as per your description. Otherwise a jump would work depending on how the play was seen. Why were both of you watching the ball anyway?

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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:20am
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Whoa!!!

The clock starts when one of the jumpers legally touches the ball, not one of the non-jumpers. R5-9-2.
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:21am
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I am suffering from brain lock and need some help here.

1. Jump ball to start the game. Clock should start when someone other than the jumpers touch the ball ?

2. GJV . Under the basket player A goes up for shot, feet never leave the ground, Player B temporarily ,like less than 1 second,puts a hand on the ball, Player than reloads and partner calls a jump ball. I no called it because her feet never left the ground and the block was more of a touch. Is my thinking a no call correct ?
1. Clock starts on first touch by a jumper.

2. Defender prevents a release hadta see it. It's a judgement call.
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:26am
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I thought the clock started when the tossed ball was legally touched. 5-9-2

Unless your partner thought that the defender's hand was firmly on the ball, I think a no-call is appropriate

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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:32am
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Misread original post.

1) Ball becomes live when it leaves the officials hand, however the clock does not start until it is touched.

2) Judgement call as I said before.
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:47am
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I am suffering from brain lock and need some help here.

1. Jump ball to start the game. Clock should start when someone other than the jumpers touch the ball ?

2. GJV . Under the basket player A goes up for shot, feet never leave the ground, Player B temporarily ,like less than 1 second,puts a hand on the ball, Player than reloads and partner calls a jump ball. I no called it because her feet never left the ground and the block was more of a touch. Is my thinking a no call correct ?
On question #2, I have a jump ball, feet dont have to leave the ground. Did the ball leave her hand at all or did she actually have it and the other girl touched it?
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 11:58am
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The definition of a "held ball" sez that opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness. You know- undue roughness like maybe throwing an opponent to the floor.

Anyway,in this play, if the hand on the ball didn't stop the shooter from "reloading", I can't see how you could call a held ball. You call a held ball when neither player can do anything with the ball- which doesn't really sound like what happened in this play.

Of course, I'm guessing- the same as everyone else. It always remains a judgement call by the calling official as to whether the ball was held firmly enough that the shooter couldn't do anything further with it.
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 12:15pm
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Two years ago, A1 was taking a hook. B1 got inside inside of him and "jammed" the ball. A1's foot was on the floor. No question.

A1 recovered the ball instantly and passed it.

I "No Called" it. Coach blew up. It was my only "T" that year. I thought I was correct but you guys are giving me doubts? To me, it doesn't meet the criteria for a Held Ball if the grounded offensive player is merely prevented ("jammed") from making the attempt.

Hope I was right.......
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 12:16pm
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Okay thanks for the feedback and the rules reference on the jump ball/ start clock.

On the second question so the feet have nothing to do with it being a jump ball. My thinking is Player A goes up for shot, player B blocks shot , Player A comes back down to floor both players still have hands on ball ,Jump Ball. So I was thinking never left floor no jump ball.

I believe I got this no call correct for the wrong reasons. LOL
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 12:55pm
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The definition of a "held ball" sez that opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness. You know- undue roughness like maybe throwing an opponent to the floor.
Would you have a call if an opponent had a firm grip on the ball and threw an opponent to the floor?
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Old Tue Jan 10, 2006, 02:45pm
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I just looked in my rule book for language that I thought I remembered -- "preventing a release on a shot." It's there alright, but it applies only to an airborne shooter. So in replying to the original post, I'd say P missed it, and OP got it right.
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