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Tom,
This may seem out of the blue, but there's no sense in holding back. . . would you marry me? |
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Dang it! Now that caused an audible giggle! |
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How sweet, the first marriage proposal on this board. I want to get a gift for the happy couple. Where are you two registered? :D Z |
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And just how did this "correction" SAVE the game? |
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We may have been dead wrong...but, it wasn't because of the crowd. Remember T and C never had the call, never raised their fist for a foul, never blow their whistle. Remember...the L initially raised his fist for the obvious foul...why would the T or C double whistle it? Listen, again I agree with the bigdogs here on their philosophical approach to this type of sitch. That's why I posted this mess...I wasn't proud of big-timing the less experienced official. (The guy isn't young, but his career has been mostly JV stuff, with a little V sprinkled here and there) Would we have come in and huddled with a more experienced V official? Probably not...in fact, if I had been the misguided L and my two partners came up to me after the "call"...I wouldn't have been apologizing in the locker room, I would have been somewhat unpleasant. So...we treated our partner differently than we would have a seasoned veteran. I wouldn't have felt the need to protect and/or embarass the Vet. We did this particular partner...therefore, our bad. Sure, we got the call right...but, at what expense to a partner? As a crew, do we get every call right every night? (I haven't seen it yet) Do we go around huddling and changing things for the "good of the game"? (Sometimes...you just have to know when those "sometimes" are) These are some of the philosophical questions that, IMO, a good official asks him/herself. BTW...Coach B, of the fouling team asked me how my partner could change that call? I simply asked him if he thought it was a foul. He said it didn't matter...I looked him in the eyes and asked him again, if he thought it was a foul. He turned and went back to his seat. |
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I started the rotation because the ball got passed into the corner with a player posting up. Instead of passing into the post, the player took two dribbles baseline and put up a jumpshot and got nailed. My partners didn't think it was as big a deal as I did. Well, I'm working 3 tonight and tomorrow, so lots more practice. Tonight is the first girls game I've ever worked 3-person. --Rich |
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In this particular situation, as described, we have an OBVIOUS foul at a critical time in the game that the L clearly kicked/talked himself out of. The other officials both had a clear foul and came in late and took it. As described, we're talking about a train wreck type play, and those are game changing plays if nothing is called. Are there times when this can't get called? Sure, if both other officials are occupied in their areas with competitive matchups, but in this case, both clearly saw an obvious foul, and were certain enough of the foul to come in and make the call. I don't see how any official, in good conscious, at the varsity right area or not, can see an obvious foul, with no doubt, at a critical point in the game and swallow the whistle because, "That was his call." Get the play right. |
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All this "blah, blah, blah" is basically "this is why I watch the ball." In YOUR conscious, you live with watching the ball. I have never, EVER had an evaluator tell me "why didn't you call that call in your partner's area?" They will ask why you are calling out of your area in a heartbeat. The vast majority of the time, I'm looking in MY primary because I don't ref in this wonderful land of OZ that doesn't have anything off-ball for me to look at. |
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Tomegun,
I am curious - how many offball calls do you make a game? I'm not just curious because it is you or this post. I am just curious as to the number of offball calls made by all officials per game. Doesn't the NBA or somebody track these kinds of numbers? I have heard that it is a very low number. If the number is low and it is not because of mechanics that the NBA is already stressing, then you might look for mechanics to change in the future about offball calls. That might lead to a less restrictive philosophy on going to help on calls made on the ball. I betcha the numbers made, and missed, of calls on the ball far outweigh all other calls. It just seems to me that the NBA is a forward thinking trend setter when it comes to training their officials. They are years ahead of college and high school, but a lot of their research ends up trickling down to the high school level. Just my opinion. Mulk |
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