FAN TOSSED: Veteran referee Jack Nies ejected a fan sitting near midcourt during the second quarter.

The man, believed to be an acquaintance of Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, was being verbally abusive, Nies said.

"He was using a lot of profanity," Nies said. "There were a lot of young children and families sitting in the area, and it wasn't going to stop. When he left, it got very quiet."

The man left without incident and was not arrested, according to a police officer providing security at the game.

"I don't know those people," Anthony said after the game.


I was wondering had anyone read this. I have only had to run an FAN once. 8th grade boy’s game. This Kid’s dad was out of control yelling and cursing at the players, his son and the officials. (His son was terrible by the way). He was one rows back, So I walked by and said “Sir I will have to ask you to please stop the cursing there are children present”. He replied with “Well call the F—king game right”. So I walked over to the sight Administrator and informed him “that man must go”. He did not disappoint, he went out yelling, kicking stuff, pointing at me. It was great. Has any one else had to toss a fan?

Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.

I concur. In a summer league camp, I had a fan of one of the teams being very vocal and just acting the fool. His daughter was playing and was harassing the table and us. So I told the coach that I knew his daughter was on the team that he (the coach) needed to calm him down or I was going to penalize his team. Well, the coach talked to him and he got worse in the second half. So, long story short, we got him removed.

Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.

Dont worry, just put it in your box of things you wont do again.

Mr. Grammer Guy says...
 

Should be:

You're right. At the time I thought it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.

Your is to show possession. As in, "Is that your fruit?" In telling someone that he is correct, you need to address that person with the (pronoun?) you, as in "you are correct." Or, with the contraction, "you're right."

Obligatory on-topic contribution:

Yes, I have tossed fans before. The proper procedure is to have the game mgmt deal with the person(s). On occasion, I've also gave them a heads up that "if that person keeps up the attitude he's portraying right now, he will be tossed." The intent is to be preventative. So be it if game mgmt uses that info to decide to try and talk the guy down. So far, that mechanic has always worked for me.

[Edited by JugglingReferee on Jan 4th, 2006 at 11:06 AM]

Re: Mr. Grammer Guy says...
 

Actually, it should be: You're right. At the time<font color = red>,</font> I though<font color = red>t</font> it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.

Please, leave it to the pros. :)

In some situations you're lucky to find game management anywhere in the gym.

Re: Re: Mr. Grammer Guy says...
 

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Yeah, leave it to the pros. :D

Yep, that's the point. Some poeple you just can't talk to politely, and most of them are sitting in the stands.

I don’t understand how someone thinks yelling and cursing from the stands is going to help there kid play better.

...and this is why you ALWAYS find out who game management is before you take the floor, and ask them specifically where they will be during the game.

Had a game one night that was a district play-in game (winner won district; loser got second). Big crowd and great game. Middle of 3rd quarter, I first noticed this HUGE cop -- muscle and fitness cover material; not Rosie material. How they got this guy large enough shirts for his arms to fit in the sleeves I'll never know.

Anyway, he was positioned off the baseline within the sideline a couple of feet, as this gym didn't have any "end zone" seating. At this point, we had a play where a kid unsuccessfully tried to save a loose ball out of bounds. He went into the stands and landed in a group of people. This guy, probably in his 50s, was in the middle of the group and got in the kid's face immediately. It wasn't a crash, as everyone protected themselves and the kid eased up. I don't even think the guy was touched more than you would, like, brush someone on their shoulder in a tight hallway.

The kid's instincts said to go after the guy, but as soon as I got between him, he figured out that wasn't a good idea, AND his teammates got there as well. So, I'm on my way to the table to get this fan out of there, and I look back to get a clear description of him, and this cop is taking care of it -- wihtout my asking him. So, I stop for a second to see what happens, and the cop escorts him out. I grab the ball and administer the throw in, and we play on.

Between quarters, I walk up to the cop, who had repositioned himself back to where he was and said, "hey, man, thanks for the help with that fan." The guy looked at me and said, "you're my man!"

I felt very secure after that!

I think you need to be careful with penalizing teams. I had one situation where a player behaved inappropriately and I T'd him. When he walked past me, he swore at me so I T'd him again and he was done. Then a parent started in on me from the stands about my actions. He would not stop so we had to toss the fan. Then to my shock a player on the OPPOSITE TEAM to the player ejected asked "Why did you ask my Dad to leave?" I guess the guy thought he saw a grand injustice and could not sit for it. Never have I had that before or since!

Who says its about the kid? For that matter, who says the fact that the kid is playing is even about the kid?

I believe that IREFU2 mentioned that this was during a summer league camp? I've done some of these camp games where the only "administrator" is the 13 year old kid running the clock. In that case, what do you do? About the only leverage you have is the tell the coach that the fan is his problem and get him to deal with it. That, of course, would not be the case during a regular season game.

This past summer at our referee camp which was also a HS girls team camp, one of the officials tossed a fan. He knew him and the guy was a problem at every game. It was funny to see the guy out of the gym trying to peer through the doorway to see part of his daughter's game from 20 feet beyond the doorway.

In another instance, there was a fan with a CFL horn and the officials got the AD to seek it out and remove it. The kids wouldn't give it up. The AD knew about where it was. He announced that the whole section would be given the boot if the horn wasn't produced in 60 seconds. Nobody got kicked out.

How come noone T'd this post up? I think the grammar nazis are playing favorites! :-)

no one would be the correct usage....

I had a super ball fly past me, bounce off the table and roll to the bench during a time out.

I had them announce the do not throw things on the floor speech, and before it was done game management was running into the gym saying, "Who did it?"

I knew the general location, but not the person so I said, "It came from there."

15-20 kids were in the first couple of rows and another 15-20 were a few rows higher up.

The kids in the front were saying they did it, pointing to the kids higher up, and of course the kids higher up were saying the other kids did it.

He threw out the entire section.

But it's not the Arizona record.

Big game between the most obnoxious coach in town and the team he just left for his new job. The home team had the next "LeBron", in his parents eyes that is, and his posse was the most vocal and profane around.

During the game several flare ups occurred amongst the rival fans, and several people were ejected, when early in the second half more of the same nonsense started, the officials and game management emptied the ENTIRE GYM, then finished the game.

Re: Re: Mr. Grammer Guy says...
 

Don't do it half way. You missed the part about ...I've also gave...