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mick Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:04pm
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Originally posted by JRutledge

Well there are floors that have the coaching box already on the floor, but unfortunately the floor does not match the state adopted rule. Many are only the 6 foot box which we do not use anymore. So they have to put tape down to comply with the current rule.
Rut,
U.P. here, with Michigan just adopting the 14' box and with a 1/2-dozen [maybe more] refinished floors in the past 3-4 years, the schools haven't re-painted yet.

At the coaches meeting we show them a volleyball line that is 8'-10' from the 22' mark and tell them that they can go that far if they choose.

Does anyone here know the prezact distance of that volleyball line from the net/division line ? I've been tempted to take a tape to the floor and check it out just for academic curiosity. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/conf44.gif
mick

IREFU2 Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:10pm
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
At a recent game, there was no coaching box marked on the floor. As an official I was always taught that if there is no box on the floor then the home team MUST provide tape so that one can be marked. And if we as officials choose not to mark a box then we are opening the door for trouble. Does anyone know if there are Rules citations for what the correct action is to take if no boxes are marked???
We have been told that if there is no coaching box on the floor by the Varsity game, then the home coach as to sit and the visiting coach can use and imaginary box to my specifications. But, we have not encountered that yet.
IREFU2,
How does that interpretation "create an atmosphere of sporting behavior and fair play" ?
mick
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.

BktBallRef Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:13pm
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Originally posted by IREFU2
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.
But how can you allow the visiting coach to stand when there is no box?

Sorry but your commissioner's solution is poor at best.

IREFU2 Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:25pm
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by IREFU2
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.
But how can you allow the visiting coach to stand when there is no box?

Sorry but your commissioner's solution is poor at best.
The simple fact of the matter is that during the pre-season coaches meeting/clinic, the VHSL Coordinator specified that all school need to have the coaches boxes clearly defined. This was told to the school way in advance and if they didnt comply, then the home coach would sit and the visiting coach would have an imaginary box. This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box. No box, no enforcement. So, to counter that, the home coach will sit and I guarentee you there will be a box by the next game.

Nate1224hoops Tue Jan 03, 2006 01:03pm
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by IREFU2
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.
But how can you allow the visiting coach to stand when there is no box?

Sorry but your commissioner's solution is poor at best.
The simple fact of the matter is that during the pre-season coaches meeting/clinic, the VHSL Coordinator specified that all school need to have the coaches boxes clearly defined. This was told to the school way in advance and if they didnt comply, then the home coach would sit and the visiting coach would have an imaginary box. This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box. No box, no enforcement. So, to counter that, the home coach will sit and I guarentee you there will be a box by the next game.
I am from Virginia and that is the rule that I have been told and am still hearing (just called today). The reason both coaches arent sitting is b/c the floor should have been marked. It's the responsibility of the home team to do so. Therefore, you dont mark you have to sit. A visiting coach should not be punished bc of lazyness of home team. Thats how VHSL sees it. Where in VA are you from IREFU2??

IREFU2 Tue Jan 03, 2006 01:30pm
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by IREFU2
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.
But how can you allow the visiting coach to stand when there is no box?

Sorry but your commissioner's solution is poor at best.
The simple fact of the matter is that during the pre-season coaches meeting/clinic, the VHSL Coordinator specified that all school need to have the coaches boxes clearly defined. This was told to the school way in advance and if they didnt comply, then the home coach would sit and the visiting coach would have an imaginary box. This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box. No box, no enforcement. So, to counter that, the home coach will sit and I guarentee you there will be a box by the next game.
I am from Virginia and that is the rule that I have been told and am still hearing (just called today). The reason both coaches arent sitting is b/c the floor should have been marked. It's the responsibility of the home team to do so. Therefore, you dont mark you have to sit. A visiting coach should not be punished bc of lazyness of home team. Thats how VHSL sees it. Where in VA are you from IREFU2??
I am in Chesapeake and you are where?

Nate1224hoops Tue Jan 03, 2006 01:38pm
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by IREFU2
It was relayed to us by our commissioner that we are not putting tape on the floor because its not our job to do so. Therefore, the home coach will have to sit.
But how can you allow the visiting coach to stand when there is no box?

Sorry but your commissioner's solution is poor at best.
The simple fact of the matter is that during the pre-season coaches meeting/clinic, the VHSL Coordinator specified that all school need to have the coaches boxes clearly defined. This was told to the school way in advance and if they didnt comply, then the home coach would sit and the visiting coach would have an imaginary box. This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box. No box, no enforcement. So, to counter that, the home coach will sit and I guarentee you there will be a box by the next game.
I am from Virginia and that is the rule that I have been told and am still hearing (just called today). The reason both coaches arent sitting is b/c the floor should have been marked. It's the responsibility of the home team to do so. Therefore, you dont mark you have to sit. A visiting coach should not be punished bc of lazyness of home team. Thats how VHSL sees it. Where in VA are you from IREFU2??
I am in Chesapeake and you are where?
Bristol VA. Opposite ends of the state. It's good to see that at least the rule is consistant throughout Virginia.

IAABO_Ref Tue Jan 03, 2006 01:39pm
If the home school administration says “We are not putting a box down. You as the referee say, “Well then you better get on the PA system and tell everyone why the game isn’t starting.” I bet you’ll see some tape getting put down very quick.

Rule 2.4.1

The Referee SHALL:

Article 1:

Inspect and APPROVE all equipment, including COURT, baskets, ball, backboards and timers and scores signal.


Rule 1.13.2 says that the coaching box shall be outlined

So now let’s say that you walk out onto the floor and the free throw lane markings are not on the floor. Are you going to say well tonight I guess we’re not going to have anyone line-up for free throws. Because the home team can’t rebound so they don’t want to put the markings down.

Nate1224hoops Tue Jan 03, 2006 01:44pm
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Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
If the home school administration says “We are not putting a box down. You as the referee say, “Well then you better get on the PA system and tell everyone why the game isn’t starting.” I bet you’ll see some tape getting put down very quick.

Rule 2.4.1

The Referee SHALL:

Article 1:

Inspect and APPROVE all equipment, including COURT, baskets, ball, backboards and timers and scores signal.


Rule 1.13.2 says that the coaching box shall be outlined

So now let’s say that you walk out onto the floor and the free throw lane markings are not on the floor. Are you going to say well tonight I guess we’re not going to have anyone line-up for free throws. Because the home team can’t rebound so they don’t want to put the markings down.
Thats the exact reference I made earlier, only to be laughed at. It is the exact same principle. My understanding and according to VHSL rules, if the home team doesnt want a box or hasnt offered to put one down and the visiting team doesnt want one then fine play w/out. If vistiors do then home AD or someone courtside must put one down for vistors and home coach doesnt get a box but must sit. It's my undestanding that officials in Virginia are responsible to make sure the box is outlined and if not why??

IREFU2 Tue Jan 03, 2006 02:33pm
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Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
If the home school administration says “We are not putting a box down. You as the referee say, “Well then you better get on the PA system and tell everyone why the game isn’t starting.” I bet you’ll see some tape getting put down very quick.

Rule 2.4.1

The Referee SHALL:

Article 1:

Inspect and APPROVE all equipment, including COURT, baskets, ball, backboards and timers and scores signal.


Rule 1.13.2 says that the coaching box shall be outlined

So now let’s say that you walk out onto the floor and the free throw lane markings are not on the floor. Are you going to say well tonight I guess we’re not going to have anyone line-up for free throws. Because the home team can’t rebound so they don’t want to put the markings down.
I think that is too the extreme about the free throw lines and if they werent there, the court surely isnt legally marked i.e -

SECTION 4 REFEREE'S PREGAME DUTIES
The referee shall:
ART. 1 . . . Inspect and approve all equipment, including court, baskets, ball, backboards, and timer's and scorer's signals.

I would say that if that above is not approved, you have no game that night.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:14pm
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Originally posted by mick
Does anyone here know the prezact distance of that volleyball line from the net/division line ? I've been tempted to take a tape to the floor and check it out just for academic curiosity. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/conf44.gif
mick
I looked at the diagram in the NFHS Website to confirm, and the VB attack line is 10 feet from the division line. That being said, on a standard high school court that is 84 feet long, that 10 foot line on the Volleyball court would be 32 feet from the endline. So you'd need to go another 4 feet toward the endline for one end of the box, and then go another 6 feet, or 14 feet toward the endline, depending on what your state has adopted, for the other end of the box.

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:16pm
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Originally posted by IREFU2
This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box.
Did you mean POE?

IREFU2 Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:18pm
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Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
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Originally posted by IREFU2
This goes hand and hand with the POI dealing with the enforcement of the box.
Did you mean POE?
Yes, thanks for the correction.

mick Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:30pm
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Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
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Originally posted by mick
Does anyone here know the prezact distance of that volleyball line from the net/division line ? I've been tempted to take a tape to the floor and check it out just for academic curiosity. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/conf44.gif
mick
I looked at the diagram in the NFHS Website to confirm, and the VB attack line is 10 feet from the division line. That being said, on a standard high school court that is 84 feet long, that 10 foot line on the Volleyball court would be 32 feet from the endline. So you'd need to go another 4 feet toward the endline for one end of the box, and then go another 6 feet, or 14 feet toward the endline, depending on what your state has adopted, for the other end of the box.
Okay, Whistles & Stripes, thanks.
So that brown line, that we approve, must be something else. Perhaps it's a pretend basketball line (or pretend volleyball line) for the courts going perpendicularly to the real floor.
I appreciate the effort. :)
mick

BktBallRef Tue Jan 03, 2006 03:35pm
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Originally posted by IAABO_Ref
If the home school administration says “We are not putting a box down. You as the referee say, “Well then you better get on the PA system and tell everyone why the game isn’t starting.” I bet you’ll see some tape getting put down very quick.

Rule 2.4.1

The Referee SHALL:

Article 1:

Inspect and APPROVE all equipment, including COURT, baskets, ball, backboards and timers and scores signal.


Rule 1.13.2 says that the coaching box shall be outlined

So now let’s say that you walk out onto the floor and the free throw lane markings are not on the floor. Are you going to say well tonight I guess we’re not going to have anyone line-up for free throws. Because the home team can’t rebound so they don’t want to put the markings down.
We have to have a FT lane to play the game. We don't have to have a coaching box. We will survive.


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