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BloggingRefGuy Wed Dec 28, 2005 07:58pm

Team A is inbounding the ball in the fourth quarter of a close game. A2 gives a particularly ugly pick...throws her forearms out. I call her for the push, and confidently say: "Team control foul! B ball!" Everything is fine, and I hand the ball to team B on the end line...

and a thought hatches in my head. It was a throw-in. There's no team control. Damn.

If you were me...well, you would have gotten it right the first time (as I will henceforward). But if you were me, standing on the endline doing your 5-second count for B, would you:

1. Toot your whistle, say: "No! It's not a team control foul! It was a throw-in! One-and-one!" and walk everybody down to the other end for free throws? The benefit is that it's right...the detriment is it makes you look uncertain.
2. Let B in-bound the ball, figuring you're the only one who knows you've screwed up? The benefit is a smooth game, the detriment is that it's, well, wrong.

smoref Wed Dec 28, 2005 08:16pm

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Originally posted by BloggingRefGuy
Team A is inbounding the ball in the fourth quarter of a close game. A2 gives a particularly ugly pick...throws her forearms out. I call her for the push, and confidently say: "Team control foul! B ball!" Everything is fine, and I hand the ball to team B on the end line...

and a thought hatches in my head. It was a throw-in. There's no team control. Damn.

If you were me...well, you would have gotten it right the first time (as I will henceforward). But if you were me, standing on the endline doing your 5-second count for B, would you:

1. Toot your whistle, say: "No! It's not a team control foul! It was a throw-in! One-and-one!" and walk everybody down to the other end for free throws? The benefit is that it's right...the detriment is it makes you look uncertain.
2. Let B in-bound the ball, figuring you're the only one who knows you've screwed up? The benefit is a smooth game, the detriment is that it's, well, wrong.


Once you realized that you made a mistake and it still falls under the correctable error time frame you should have blown your whistle and fixed it.

This is very hard to do, especially when the ball is in play but we need to get the play right.

If you are beeing evaulated you will get hammered a lot harder for a misinterpretation of the rules more than stopping the game and looking bad for a few seconds.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 28, 2005 08:34pm

Get the call right.

BloggingRefGuy Wed Dec 28, 2005 08:41pm

Thanks, y'all. My partner disagreed with me on the floor, saying (at the next time out) "don't go calling that fantasy sh*t--just call regular stuff" (it wasn't as bad as it sounds...this is just the guy's personality). It's good to have a little backup here.

PAOfficial Wed Dec 28, 2005 09:32pm

I agree, get it right. My question is, why were you yelling out, "Team control foul"?

Camron Rust Thu Dec 29, 2005 01:54am

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Originally posted by BloggingRefGuy
Thanks, y'all. My partner disagreed with me on the floor, saying (at the next time out) "don't go calling that fantasy sh*t--just call regular stuff" (it wasn't as bad as it sounds...this is just the guy's personality). It's good to have a little backup here.
There was nothing fantasy about that call....just a basic foul that was not being penalized correctly. You realized it right away and should fix it. Even we get to stumble a little on the rule changes.


zebraman Thu Dec 29, 2005 01:58am

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Originally posted by PAOfficial
I agree, get it right. My question is, why were you yelling out, "Team control foul"?
Why not? Nothing wrong with using your voice along with your preliminary signal. In fact, our state interpreter encouraged all of us to verbalize it especially loud for the benefit of coaches until they come to understand it.

Z

Ref Daddy Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:34pm

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Originally posted by PAOfficial
I agree, get it right. My question is, why were you yelling out, "Team control foul"?
It's a Texas state "exception" this year. As part of the new player control rules change we in Texas are instructed to verbally announce "Team Control Foul" as a signal to caoch's (and players i guess0 that there would be no shots.

The "y'all" was another clue.


BloggingRefGuy Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:35pm

Yeah--I'm just trying to stave off the shouts of "One-and-one!" until everybody gets it. That's why I verbalize "Team control foul!"

BloggingRefGuy Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:40pm

Ref Daddy--

I'm not from Texas, but I lived in Louisiana for a couple of years a decade ago, and I remain convinced that "y'all" is the most efficient gender-neutral second-person plural pronoun. Don't y'all agree?


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