Hello all,
Happy Holidays. Im working a holiday tournament this week. Last night I did my games and was about to leave when I stopped to watch an 7th/8th grade game. When all of a sudden all hell broke out. Here is how it unfolded. The point guard for team A is very talented. He could do what ever he wanted on the floor. His counterpart on team B could not guard him and was getting abused. Fourth quarter the game is going back and forth. Team A ,who was down most of the game, but with five minuets left in the game had come back the take a 2 point lead. All behind the play of Team As do it all point guard. He had just scored five back to back baskets ( on jump shots, drives to the basket, you name it ) all at the expense of Team Bs point guard. Team Bs point guard is getting an ear full from his coach and his Dad. Ok, under five minuets Team A point guard on a fast break clearly going in for a easy basket. When Team B point grabs him and takes him down. The Official signals an intentional foul. As Team B point is getting off of Team A point. Team A point gives him a little push. Then Team B point goes nuts and jumps all over Team A point. The Officials move in quickly and break it up. As they try to sort out the penalties. The coach from Team A is across the court in the face of the father of Team B point, and they start shoving each other. Then the mothers get in to it. Everyone is yelling and pushing. The police are called and the coach the dad the moms are all escorted out. Then I see team A point walking out with his bag I ask him why he was leaving he said My coach is my me Dad so I have to go too. I have never seen such madness at any level of basketball. That messed up a great game. By the way Team A lost. |
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Amazing. couple shared observations Finding a "man among boys" is more and more frequent in lower levels. One of the hardest challenges to be fair to unequaled talents. Coaching a kid thats still developing skills to manage a player 18 inch's taller and 2 years more mature is impossible. The presure on these Kids gets out of control. Its a game and every night SOMEBODY looses. Hindsite; Was a preventative officiating step missed? Sounds like (from the stands anyway) you could see this coming. Seen and experienced hostile Father / Son tandem's before. Its a challenge. Haven't seen a Mother / daughter one yet. |
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I agree I'm glad i didnt work that game but i think part of this should fall on the officials if they let it get to that point. Just because one kid is getting beat on the court doesnt to me = a big fight, it seems like something bigger happened
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12 or 13 year olds. A1 clearly better than B1. B1 has to listen to his coach & his dad getting on him about A1's ability. B1 has enough, intentionally fouls A1 on a layup. Officials call the intentional. What would have you done to prevent the sh1tstorm that followed? What "something bigger" do you see happening here? |
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Unless something happened before I started watching. I think the kid got frustrated. And then you have your coach and dad yelling at you in front of everyone. I think the kid snapped. But the actions of the Adults can't be blamed on the Officials. |
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I may be wrong, but it still seems to me like their was something else besides this push and the one kid being better then the other that made the fight break out. I'm with you guys tho that its not always the refs fault. I guess what I'm asking is what would you have done if you were those refs, and does anyone think that they as a ref could have prevented this?????
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B1 simply lost it, committed the intentional foul & was correctly penalized by the officials. The only additional thing they could have done was to toss both A1 & B1 for their subsequent conduct, but that's a judgement call on their part as to whether the conduct was flagrant. The reactions by the adults were way out of line, but I don't see what the officials could have done to prevent them. |
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Is there a reason why you are trying to pin the blame on the officials? |
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(Sorry. That's a really bad joke, but I couldn't resist.) |
we need the whackinator!
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BTW, can't you just feel the holiday spirit? Isn't it wonderful? :D |
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Like I said I did not see the entire game. But what I did get to see was some good play from both teams. No trash talking or anything like that. All the mouthing off was coming from the parents. It was the kind of thing you hear at most games from parents. What are you doing wheres the foul make a lay-up Timmy that king of thing. In my opinion many of these kids are not allow to enjoy playing the game and have fun. There is presser to win from coaches & parents for there own selfish reasons. I think this kid folded under that presser. This is not the first time I have seen a kid snap under the presser but never like this. So I dont know what the Officials could have done to prevent this. I do know they took the right actions after. The rest of that game was very quiet. |
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Team A's point guard sounds like all the guys I attempted to defend in my career!
Can't see anything the Officials could do? Sometimes Coaches and Parents whip the kids up past the point that they can emotionally handle it. When you're Coaching against a dominate kid, it's a lot better to spread the responsibility for gaurding him to your whole Team. Trap him or allocate a big dose of weakside help. Sounds like Team B's Coach was hanging B1 out to dry 1-1 on this kid. |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ref-X
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Ref Daddy I never would have guessed the coach and parents would get in to it. As an Official we hear coaches and parents yelling at the kids all the time. ----------------------------------------------------------- Don't forget the sad but universal truth, "The younger kids, the dumber the parents!" |
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