inadvertent time out??

[vawils]

End of game situation (last minute) in a close game. B scores and A coach signals time out. I whistle and signal the time out but as I go towards the scorekeeper he claims he doesn't want a time out after the clock has been stopped. He then proceeds to try to substitute players. B players already huddling at their bench with their coach. I call them all back on the court but since the clock has now stopped the substitutes were allowed in. B also substitutes. Know we probably didn't handle this great and think the coach was just playing games to get his subs in. But once the clock is stopped we had to restart with a throw - in. Any thoughts on how this should have been handled differently. Charge A with a time out even when coach says doesn't want one?? Could've handled as an inadvertent whistle - can teams sub then?

[Jurassic Referee]

Once you grant the time-out, it's going in the book as a time-out charged to team A. Even if you granted it in error, it can't be revoked. The only thing that the A coach gets to decide is whether it's a 30 or a 60. Yes, you can get subs in because it's a time-out. The other team is allowed to take the full 30 or 60 seconds of the time-out if they want to.

The coach was just trying to play you.

Case book play 5.8.3SitE is a reference.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by vawils
End of game situation (last minute) in a close game. B scores and A coach signals time out. I whistle and signal the time out but as I go towards the scorekeeper he claims he doesn't want a time out after the clock has been stopped. He then proceeds to try to substitute players. B players already huddling at their bench with their coach. I call them all back on the court but since the clock has now stopped the substitutes were allowed in. B also substitutes. Know we probably didn't handle this great and think the coach was just playing games to get his subs in. But once the clock is stopped we had to restart with a throw - in. Any thoughts on how this should have been handled differently. Charge A with a time out even when coach says doesn't want one?? Could've handled as an inadvertent whistle - can teams sub then?

NFHS Rules: Coach A requested a timeout and it was granted. Team A cannot shorten the timeout unless Team B is also ready to shorten the timeout. Once Team A is granted a timeout, Team B can use the entire timeout.

NCAA Rules: There are two possible scenarios. 1) Team A requests and is granted a full (for example) timeout. After thirty seconds Team A is ready to play. Team A's Captain notifies the officials that his team is ready to play. The officials signals the Timer to sound the warning horn and fifteen seconds later the ball is put back into play. 2) Team A requests a thirty second timeout soley for the purpose of putting subsititues into the game. As soon as the substitution has been effected the ball is put back into play.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

A1 is dribbling the ball up the floor in the BC. He's trapped in the corner by two defenders. As the trail reaches a count of 9, an asst. coach jumps up, yells and signals 30 second TO. The trail, not recognizing that it's an asst. signaling, whistles the play dead.

What's next?

[DownTownTonyBrown]

How about granting one when you shouldn't have...

I screwed the pooch the other night - 23 seconds left in a 6 point game. Loosing team has just made the first free throw. Second shot is in the air and hits the rim. I here a loud TIME OUT! from the loosing team coach.

My STUPID WHISTLE went off. I don't know why - it just went off. The ball bounds off the rim and bounces once and almost comes to me at the trail position. Oh My God!

The coach just looks at me. He didn't even take a time out now that the clock was stopped. (Perhaps I should have forced him to take one??? He had TO's available.)

We went to the arrow. Loosing team will get the ball back. OH JUST GREAT! Now the winning team scorekeeper (Visitors) tells me that her team had the rebound before I blew my whistle. (Yeah right! She's a previous coach and had the same kind of trying attitude then too!)

We continue with the throw-in. Loosing team does not score. No one scores. All is well except my bruised ego.

Should I have done something different... given my initial error?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
A1 is dribbling the ball up the floor in the BC. He's trapped in the corner by two defenders. As the trail reaches a count of 9, an asst. coach jumps up, yells and signals 30 second TO. The trail, not recognizing that it's an asst. signaling, whistles the play dead.

What's next?

NFHS: Grant the timeout and then whack the assistant for standing in the coaching box. ROFLMAO

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
How about granting one when you shouldn't have...

I screwed the pooch the other night - 23 seconds left in a 6 point game. Loosing team has just made the first free throw. Second shot is in the air and hits the rim. I here a loud TIME OUT! from the loosing team coach.

My STUPID WHISTLE went off. I don't know why - it just went off. The ball bounds off the rim and bounces once and almost comes to me at the trail position. Oh My God!

The coach just looks at me. He didn't even take a time out now that the clock was stopped. (Perhaps I should have forced him to take one??? He had TO's available.)

We went to the arrow. Loosing team will get the ball back. OH JUST GREAT! Now the winning team scorekeeper (Visitors) tells me that her team had the rebound before I blew my whistle. (Yeah right! She's a previous coach and had the same kind of trying attitude then too!)

We continue with the throw-in. Loosing team does not score. No one scores. All is well except my bruised ego.

Should I have done something different... given my initial error?

The losing team should have been charged with a time-out in the score book. And you shoulda smacked the losing coach upside the head for making you look bad.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS: Grant the timeout and then whack the assistant for standing in the coaching box. ROFLMAO

MTD, Sr.

Actually, you're pretty close, Mark.

I whacked the asst. but I didn't give him the TO because he can't request TO!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS: Grant the timeout and then whack the assistant for standing in the coaching box. ROFLMAO

MTD, Sr.

Not a bad idea at all.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
How about granting one when you shouldn't have...

I screwed the pooch the other night - 23 seconds left in a 6 point game. Loosing team has just made the first free throw. Second shot is in the air and hits the rim. I here a loud TIME OUT! from the loosing team coach.

My STUPID WHISTLE went off. I don't know why - it just went off. The ball bounds off the rim and bounces once and almost comes to me at the trail position. Oh My God!

The coach just looks at me. He didn't even take a time out now that the clock was stopped. (Perhaps I should have forced him to take one??? He had TO's available.)

We went to the arrow. Loosing team will get the ball back. OH JUST GREAT! Now the winning team scorekeeper (Visitors) tells me that her team had the rebound before I blew my whistle. (Yeah right! She's a previous coach and had the same kind of trying attitude then too!)

We continue with the throw-in. Loosing team does not score. No one scores. All is well except my bruised ego.

Should I have done something different... given my initial error?

A clear violation for disconcerting the referee. Cancel the free throw, give the ball to the other team

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS Rules: Coach A requested a timeout and it was granted. Team A cannot shorten the timeout unless Team B is also ready to shorten the timeout. Once Team A is granted a timeout, Team B can use the entire timeout.

NCAA Rules: There are two possible scenarios. 1) Team A requests and is granted a full (for example) timeout. After thirty seconds Team A is ready to play. Team A's Captain notifies the officials that his team is ready to play. The officials signals the Timer to sound the warning horn and fifteen seconds later the ball is put back into play. 2) Team A requests a thirty second timeout soley for the purpose of putting subsititues into the game. As soon as the substitution has been effected the ball is put back into play.

MTD, Sr.

In either situation, the requesting team is still charged with a timeout.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

In either situation, the requesting team is still charged with a timeout.

Mark:

Isn't that what I said?

MTD, Sr.

[caliref]

Ok, what about the coaches out there that name plays STUPID things like "five out" and "side out" I blew my whistle and granted a team a timeout when the coach goes "i was saying five out" so after that point, i needed a signal from her and i needed to be 100% sure so she wasn't going to get something easy for a T/O

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by caliref
Ok, what about the coaches out there that name plays STUPID things like "five out" and "side out" I blew my whistle and granted a team a timeout when the coach goes "i was saying five out" so after that point, i needed a signal from her and i needed to be 100% sure so she wasn't going to get something easy for a T/O

Yup, that's the procedure. Tell the coach to have a player call it, or to have her hands in a big T, because otherwise, she isn't going to get it.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark:

Isn't that what I said?

MTD, Sr.

Yes - I just wanted to simplify and clarify for the original poster.