Hi folks, I am a ref wanna be, and am studying to take the test. I have a question about the following situation:

one player on a team is required to wear a head scarf because of Islamic rules. the scarf covers her head and all the way down to her shorts. teh scarf doesn't cover her face, but may interfere with her peripheral vision. It completely covers her numbers. Does this present a problem?

I am curious on how you would handle this.

I smell Troll soup. Is it lunch time?

Nope, it absolutely legal as long as it doesnt have beads or anything thats can cause injury.

The player's team should have a letter from the state governing body approving that player to wear the scarf.

NFHS rule 3-5-2EXCEPTION1(b).

Welcome to the forum, Ralph.

without that letter of approval it is not legal in any way.

This might be an area thing. We were told in Illinois to not even deal with this if religious headwear or other religious situations. Our state also requires some notification from the schools about this situation, but the officials are not to deal with it. There was a Muslim girl in the Northern Suburbs that had a head dressing on and wore long sweats that were not the color of the uniform. Some officials did not allow her to play and we were told by the state to leave this issue alone. This might be different where you live. Talk to your local officials and see what they will allow. Also, state laws are different and this is an issue can be a legal one.

Peace

Long sweats or pants are always legal. Case book play 3.5.5SitB. Different rule entirely than head covering.

Did the IHSAA issue a ruling in writing to all officials, or post something on their web site, saying that head coverings for religious reasons were always legal with no accompanying letter? I would hope so.

I could be wrong the situation happened before the NF changed their ruling. I remember the next year they made and editorial change to make her situation legal. I do not believe the NF had a clear interpretation before this situation happen in our state. I also think this story made national news and I saw a story about this on CNN. So it might be legal now, but at the time it was not so clear.

The IHSAA is Iowa. ;) The IHSA posted the information on everyone's personal web page. They did not quote a rule to support their position. The IHSA just made it clear to the officials not to go around making rulings on uniform issues as it relates to religious expression. This was something between the state and the school not the officials.

Peace

That's why I asked. It's always up to the state to make the final decision in these cases, but they'd better be telling <b>all</b> of their officials what that final decision is so that it can be called uniformly. Sounds like the IHSA did their job in this one.

I agree. That is why they told us what to do. I also remember around the same time there was an issue with an insulin pump at someone's game. We were told to allow insulin pumps as well. This was about 2 or 3 years ago. Maybe Bob remembers when this happen.

Peace

Or MTD? Where's he been lately, anyway?

MTD would not know what happen in our state. He would only possibly know what the NF did, not what the IHSA said or ruled.

Peace

JRut,
I may have missed it, but what exactly does it mean that the IHSA made it clear to "not to go around making rulings on uniform issues as it relates to religious expression"?
Do you mean they said to let her play and not question her attire? I do understand that, if that is how it was handled. But officials are, in fact, making a ruling on the uniform issue...either by letting her play or by not letting her play.
Again, I may just have missed it and not understood it exactly.

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You're right about the insulin pumps. It was about 3-4 years ago. I remember because I was the one who first brought it to the IHSA's attention after a rules meeting in Fairfield. A young lady in my church wears one. I talked to Dick Dietz about it and he relayed the information on to Bloomington. They posted their decision on the official's website about three days later. Unfortunately, a lot of people didn't read it!

As for the religious attire, Rut is right. I don't remember anything on the website, but as one with an obviously strong interest in religion, I echo his sentiments: don't make much out of it. Religious issues can be miscontrued very easily. I had a Jr. High girl with the head covering a few years ago. It was one of her first games of the season and you can bet she didn't have a letter from the IESA or SIJHSAA. But there was no way on earth I was going to ask her anything about it. Just made sure it was secure. Same thing with religious medals. I've had kids from parochial schools show them to me and tell me that they are not allowed to take them off. I just tell them to tape them down and play ball.

Sorry Rut, one correction: the IHSAA is Indiana, not Iowa. I have a card in my wallet and a patch on my shirt.

The SIJHSAA!?!?! Merciful Heavens!! Do you have to go to classes to learn how to handle that one?

I have been called many things but never a troll. :)

The reason I asked is that in a recent game (girls -7th grade), One young lady had a big old scarf on. I wasn't close enough to see if she had beads on it, but I was wondering what the rules would be in that situation.

fwiw that were not playing our team.(I help out with the video taping of all our games.)

I saw in another post that some teams do not allow t-shirts under the uniform, there are several girls on my daughter's team who feel very uncomfortable with out their shirts.

Location was a 7th grade girls league and in Pennsylvania.

I saw in another post that some teams do not allow t-shirts under the uniform, there are several girls on my daughter's team who feel very uncomfortable with out their shirts.

[/B][/QUOTE]T-shirts under a uniform top are legal as long as they are the same basic color as the uniform top and don't have frayed sleeves or sleeves of uneven length. You can't wear a t-shirt than is a different color than the uniform top.

ok, one last comment/question:
does the enforcement of rules become more strict the higher the level?

It depends on your definition of the words "enforcement", "strict" and "higher".

For some rules, the answer is probably yes. For some, the answer would be it depends. And the NBA is a completely separate discussion.

I hope that helps...

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Nope. It's the Southern Illinois Jr. High School Athletic Association. A few differences than IESA. More like IHSA. 7 minute quarters, more quarters allowed per night for players. Different play-off than IESA.

The girl had informed the IHSA of her intentions and she was allowed to play in a uniform that was not actually legal under the rules. She was not allowed to play during a game by some officials during the season. The IHSA made it clear to let her play and that they were giving her clearance regardless of what the rules stated.

Peace

Got it. Thanks.

Head wear is covered under the uniform rules. Allowed if the state approves it (I wouldn't make a big deal about this requirement, esp. a 7th-grade girls league) and it's sucurely attached.

You know what my real concern was that she would over heat or get the scarf caught up somehow and get hurt.

Not an official's issue

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or get the scarf caught up somehow and get hurt.

Perhaps a valid concern, depending on how the scarf is worn.