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26 Year Gap Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:53pm

Had a game last week where the visitors didn't shed their warmups till tipoff and you guessed it, two guys had white tee shirts under red jerseys. One was a starter, so we sent him into the corner of the gym under the bleachers almost so he could shed the illegal garment. And we pretended we did not see him, then started the game with a jump ball. No T was assessed. Would any of you handled this differently? i.e. "Coach, you have to get a sub in and send those guys to the locker room to change." Thanks.

Ref Daddy Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:55pm

Manage <u>your</u> game.

Was the undershirt noticed before the player entered the court to participate in the jump ball?

Alternative if you wanted to send a message was request a substitute or face delay of game.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 15, 2005 08:31am

It was noticed at the bench just prior to the player entering the court. I was speaking to the coach at the time about his two players that needed to change.

ace Thu Dec 15, 2005 08:47am

I'm going to ask a question that I will probably be murdered for. Whats the big deal? Its a white t-shirt. What color was everyone else wearing? thats like POE being shirt tails this year.... I understand there reasoning, but dont go looking for trouble with this stuff.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 15, 2005 09:00am

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Originally posted by ace
I'm going to ask a question that I will probably be murdered for. Whats the big deal? Its a white t-shirt. What color was everyone else wearing? thats like POE being shirt tails this year.... I understand there reasoning, but dont go looking for trouble with this stuff.
Ace, it's a rule. That's all I can tell you. Don't matter a lick whether that particular rule actually makes sense or not; it's still a rule. It also ain't the only rule in the book that I personally think is dumb. Case in point- letting a head coach call time-outs.

Btw, ever notice that NBA players don't have a problem keeping their shirt tails tucked in all the way around, but high school players do have a problem? Why is that? :)

Ref Daddy Thu Dec 15, 2005 09:16am

ART. 6 . . . The torso of the team jersey shall be the same single solid color from the base of the neck to the bottom of the team jersey. Undershirts shall be similar in color to the torso of the shirt and shall not have frayed or ragged edges. If the undershirt has sleeves, they shall be the same length.

tomegun Thu Dec 15, 2005 09:45am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Btw, ever notice that NBA players don't have a problem keeping their shirt tails tucked in all the way around, but high school players do have a problem? Why is that? :) [/B]
Great point! You don't see them tying their shoes either. :D

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 15, 2005 09:54am

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Originally posted by tomegun
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Btw, ever notice that NBA players don't have a problem keeping their shirt tails tucked in all the way around, but high school players do have a problem? Why is that? :)
Great point! You don't see them tying their shoes either. :D [/B]
Or hollering "ball, ball, ball..." :eek:

LOL..

Junker Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:11am

I did the same thing with a player in a varsity game a week ago. We noticed the shirt when the player came out during introductions and he took it off quickly. The delay was very minimal. I see no problem as long as they get it off quickly.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:12am

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Originally posted by 26 Year Gap
Had a game last week where the visitors didn't shed their warmups till tipoff and you guessed it, two guys had white tee shirts under red jerseys. One was a starter, so we sent him into the corner of the gym under the bleachers almost so he could shed the illegal garment. And we pretended we did not see him, then started the game with a jump ball. No T was assessed. Would any of you handled this differently? i.e. "Coach, you have to get a sub in and send those guys to the locker room to change." Thanks.
And something that I only noticed a couple of years ago, but which has probably been in the Rules Book for a long time, is that illegal equipment or apparel is a permissible reason to change a designated starter. No technical foul is charged.

If the kid hides the jewelry or undershirt until just before tip off you can prevent them from starting and insist upon a sub without making a huge deal out of it.



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