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Larks Mon Dec 12, 2005 09:38am

When you call a foul, I am assuming most of you hit the fox 40 with a single blast. What I have noticed and what I have picked up as a habit myself is two short quick blasts for a violation. I recently read in "Smart Basketball Officiating" (book from Referee Magazine) that more than one is "showboating" but I am thinking that a real quick double is pretty common out there meaning either A) it's another way we communicate or B) we're all showboating. And then there are times when you have that loose ball scrum that leads to a held ball. One whistle blast aint gonna get it in my opinion.

Thoughts?


IREFU2 Mon Dec 12, 2005 09:48am

Quote:

Originally posted by Larks
When you call a foul, I am assuming most of you hit the fox 40 with a single blast. What I have noticed and what I have picked up as a habit myself is two short quick blasts for a violation. I recently read in "Smart Basketball Officiating" (book from Referee Magazine) that more than one is "showboating" but I am thinking that a real quick double is pretty common out there meaning either A) it's another way we communicate or B) we're all showboating. And then there are times when you have that loose ball scrum that leads to a held ball. One whistle blast aint gonna get it in my opinion.

Thoughts?


Depends, if I have a crash or something crazy, I will do two quick blasts of the whistle. But normally its a short blast.

ChrisSportsFan Mon Dec 12, 2005 09:48am

Ima one and done guy myself. ;)

imaref Mon Dec 12, 2005 09:50am

We really need to get a life! .....but, I'll chime in, (Or should I "teet" in?)

One blast. Exceptions: Substitutions...when the clock operator forgets to hit the horn initially....and like you, Larks, a couple or three to break the scrums.

Enjoy the rest of the season!

tomegun Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:27am

Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
We really need to get a life! .....but, I'll chime in, (Or should I "teet" in?)

One blast. Exceptions: Substitutions...when the clock operator forgets to hit the horn initially....and like you, Larks, a couple or three to break the scrums.

Enjoy the rest of the season!

One blast for fouls
A few blasts for violations (sometimes)
I do not like to blow my whistle for subs unless it is after the last free throw
Continuously blowing the whistle is useful when players are tangled up or fighting because it is an irritant

PIAA REF Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:24am

One blast
 
I think that almost all the time one blast will sufice. I like to give it a double toot on a violation that maybe coming from my primary they would preceed a foul from the lead. Also sometimes when selling a jump ball or a last second shot that is late.

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 12, 2005 01:04pm

Two- or maybe even another one :)- if it's something where you want to try and control the play at the same time that you're stopping the play. Iow, a play where you wanna stop anything from developing. Example- a hard foul, hard intentional foul, flagrant foul, 2 opponents really laying into each other in the post......

Usually combined with heading towards the players to maybe get in between them.....

brianp134 Mon Dec 12, 2005 01:08pm

Single blast for fouls & maybe a double blast for some violations.

blindzebra Mon Dec 12, 2005 01:15pm

The only time I have more than one "teet" is with tangled players in a held ball situation, players coming together after play should be stopped, or if my partner(s) and I are about to do something stupid like start play with 11 players on the court.

I like to close in with a whistle in the first two cases because it helps keep things under control. Hard to think about wrestling or fighting with a Fox 40 going off near by.

I do tend to control the strength and length of my single blast though.

I have a softer "teet" when I'm near the bench or table area and when I'm about to administer the throw-in after a TO or intermission.

I have a longer "teet" if the call was an A T & T and I had to close, it's a secondary and I'm getting it late, or if it is granting a time out request.

twref Mon Dec 12, 2005 01:27pm

One tweet on fouls. Two tweets on travels and held balls. Don't ask me why cuz I don't know.

Dan_ref Mon Dec 12, 2005 01:56pm

One teet for a foul or violation.

Two teets for "check out the teets on that babe in the 9th row."

Three teets if she has 3 teets, and so on. :eek:

JRutledge Mon Dec 12, 2005 02:16pm

One strong whistle for all calls. The only time I would even think to tweet more than once (I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere ;)) is if I am trying to stop further action like bodies all over the floor. But that is unlikely for me personally. One good strong whistle should do the trick.

Peace

M&M Guy Mon Dec 12, 2005 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
One strong whistle for all calls. The only time I would even think to tweet more than once (I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere ;)) is if I am trying to stop further action like bodies all over the floor. But that is unlikely for me personally. One good strong whistle should do the trick.

Peace
Am I the only one who is watching all these "teets" going on and wondering if I'm back on the farm watching the cows being milked?...

I usually just tweet once. I have been known to tweet twice on occasion, like JRut mentioned when there's a pileup, or, say, when I need to get my partner's attention on subs. bz has a good idea about varying the loudness of each tweet, depending on cercumstances. It's like playing a musical instrument; anyone can just play the notes, but it takes a musician to be able to play that Fox 40 with feelin'.

mick Mon Dec 12, 2005 03:40pm

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refnrev Mon Dec 12, 2005 07:09pm

I can't see any logic to more than one in this situation. I only use more than one of we have a strange situation or possible fight. I blew a foul last week that came out as two short blasts -- but it had something to do with my whistle --like I think the amount of spit in it -- but not the way I blew it.

Bchill24 Mon Dec 12, 2005 07:46pm

You should only sound your whistle once. I went to camp this summer and when I blew my whistle twice on a travel call. The observer said once is enough 2 whistles you are show boating.

Rich Mon Dec 12, 2005 07:47pm

Quote:

Originally posted by imaref
We really need to get a life! .....but, I'll chime in, (Or should I "teet" in?)

One blast. Exceptions: Substitutions...when the clock operator forgets to hit the horn initially....and like you, Larks, a couple or three to break the scrums.

Enjoy the rest of the season!

I whistle all the subs in. Always one whistle, except when I don't :)

Rich Mon Dec 12, 2005 07:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bchill24
You should only sound your whistle once. I went to camp this summer and when I blew my whistle twice on a travel call. The observer said once is enough 2 whistles you are show boating.
Maybe the observer was wrong. Maybe not. But it IS a sample of 1.

Back In The Saddle Mon Dec 12, 2005 08:36pm

My understanding is that in HS it's always one tweet. So that's what I do. However, I agree about the pile up and any kind of heated confrontation. And I'll sound a longer whistle when signaling a time out.

Having said that, I like the double- (sometimes triple- depending on the ratio of show to boat :)) tweet on violations. Like the open hand v. closed fist, it communicates something subtle but important. When I'm watching a college game and hear the multi-tweet, I have a pretty good idea of what's being called even before it gets signalled. I think it's a good communications tool.

ChuckElias Tue Dec 13, 2005 09:38pm

I labeled this "MTS" (Multiple Tweet Syndrome) a couple years ago when I also noticed it creeping into my game. (This is distantly related to JPS, or Just Point Syndrome, which afflicts officials who fail to use a fist to stop the clock for illegal screens.) I've since tried hard to get rid of it, mostly successfully. I agree with the folks who say just one tweet, except when something "extra-curricular" might develop.

I also find that, no matter how hard I've tried to get rid of my MTS, I still tweet a couple times on those quick travels or double dribbles when I get a little surprised by the play.

[Edited by ChuckElias on Dec 13th, 2005 at 09:40 PM]

mick Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:34pm

I for 1
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I labeled this "MTS" (Multiple Tweet Syndrome) a couple years ago when I also noticed it creeping into my game. (This is distantly related to JPS, or Just Point Syndrome, which afflicts officials who fail to use a fist to stop the clock for illegal screens.) I've since tried hard to get rid of it, mostly successfully. I agree with the folks who say just one tweet, except when something "extra-curricular" might develop.

I also find that, no matter how hard I've tried to get rid of my MTS, I still tweet a couple times on those quick travels or double dribbles when I get a little surprised by the play.

MTS : a mindset manifested by doubt and apology.

Well, If you really wanna get rid of it, try this.
<B>Blow it like you mean it !!</B>
By Golly, if they stop on that foul whistle, they will stop on that violation whistle. How can "they" tell if you are calling a foul or not? Fool 'em! Make 'em think it's a foul.

When a single Tweet for a foul is made, the sound, the volume, the gusto of it means "STOP!"

But the Multiple Tweet Syndrome is characterized by:<LI><small>1st Tweet --> Sorry. I have to call that.</small> <LI>2nd Tweet --> Sorry you didn't hear it.<LI><font size = 3>3rd Tweet --> STOP</font> ;)

mick


Rich Wed Dec 14, 2005 01:54am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I labeled this "MTS" (Multiple Tweet Syndrome) a couple years ago when I also noticed it creeping into my game. (This is distantly related to JPS, or Just Point Syndrome, which afflicts officials who fail to use a fist to stop the clock for illegal screens.) I've since tried hard to get rid of it, mostly successfully. I agree with the folks who say just one tweet, except when something "extra-curricular" might develop.

I also find that, no matter how hard I've tried to get rid of my MTS, I still tweet a couple times on those quick travels or double dribbles when I get a little surprised by the play.

[Edited by ChuckElias on Dec 13th, 2005 at 09:40 PM]

I have JPS. If it were up to me, all officials would get it, too.


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